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Picture of Jiggers
Registered: June 19, 2006
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I would like to know everyone's opinion on Kierkegaard and Nietzsche. I love these philosophers and their styles, but who has any comments or thoughts on them that could help me better my judgement. Nietzsche is my favorite existential and postmodern philosopher. He writes alot of interesting things on how man is sick and how eternal recurrence must be true(the idea that we will relive our life over and over again because the universe has infinite possibilities). Kierkegaard writes about men and the "crowd", and how faith in God is irrational. He was the first to systematically attack the Christian church in Dane, though he was a Christian.


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Does anybody else find Nihilism boring?


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True, but Kierkegaard was trying to preach to the atheistic crowd. Not that I love him any less for that.


L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Kierkegaard is one of my favorite Christian philosophers. Although as a Christian philosopher I will say in his defense to Finn's post, that Christian philosophy and preaching are difficult to keep separate ;-) My Philosophy professor would would stop himself and ask, "I am preaching again, aren't I?"

"Going to church is allot like going to the theater." -Kierkegaard


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I find it interesting that we are discussing these two guys in the same paragraph. I've always found reading Nietzsche to be totally different from reading Kierkegaard, though that's mainly because much of Kierkegaard's work is, if you look closely, just him preaching.

It irritates me when people bash Nietzsche as a "madman", ignoring that he didn't break down mentally until after he wrote everything (as, indeed, he was incapable of writing anything for the last years of his life). I'm slightly thankful that he was a tad insane for his last years, as it gives him an excuse for that mustache and spacey expression.

I hate that mustache.

But anyway, if you're going to frequent your thread again, engage me in something. Kierkegaard is fresh in my mind right now, but I'm about to read Thus Spoke Zarathustra.


L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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If I may...aren't you Nietzsche haters simply throwing out the bile of the past century. You are no better than the others who hated him...or loved him. If Nietzsche was a racist, it must be because of the goings on in the era which he was born in. Think of it this way, if you were raised in white Europe with no different peoples, you will have a certain form of bias. But he was not a Nazi...he loathed antisemites. His siter is to be blamed, not only that but you idiots whose ideas of a philosopher come from one lunatic, Hitler. (two if you count Mussolini) He's apparently taking the same place as Marx...the worst person ever to live thanks to you anti free-spirits.


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So now you're saying Nietzsche should be blamed for the actions of the Nazis? What kind of skewed logic is that? Nietzsche didn't condone genocide. Hitler took what Nietzsche said and twisted it to fit his own ideas. You don't blame the teacher for what a student does with what he learns. You blame the student.


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He didn't base the Third Reich off of the philosophy of shoes.


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Godwin's Law.

The Hitler reference is irrelevant. Hitler wore shoes. Does that make shoes evil? Of course not. Like or dislike Nietzsche based on his works, not his relation to Hitler.

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No, I don't like 'philosophers' who believe God is dead.


You obviously know little about Nietzsche. As have many in the past, you've taken that quote out of context. Find it and read it again in its entirety, and then we'll see.

But since it's doubtful you will (those who believe themselves right don't often do anything to prove themselves wrong), I'll explain. Nietzsche did not say God was dead. Instead, he claimed that God was dead to society. Society had no need for God, instead replacing him with technology, or money, or what have you. God could very well still be around. But society couldn't have cared less.

Got it now, or do I need to explain in smaller words?


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It is true though.


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I knew the Hitler reference would get tossed around sooner or later.


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No, I don't like 'philosophers' who believe God is dead.

Nietzsche was also one of Hitler's icons. How does it feel to be in the company of Hitler?


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I love the story behind the Tao Te Ching, some guard forces Lao Tzu to write down his wisdom before leaving china forever, that's classic


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I prefer Lao Tzu to both of them really

i totally love him..


Me too!


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I prefer Lao Tzu to both of them really


i totally love him..


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I prefer Lao Tzu to both of them really


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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First of all, Nietzsche's racism is unmistakable. The best way to approach this is to let Nietzsche speak for himself. In the quotes that follow, I will simply offer examples from The Genealogy of Morals alone, as translated by Francis Golffing (in the footnotes I have been adding some passages from Beyond Good and Evil for comparison).

The Latin malus ["bad"] (beside which I place melas [Greek for "black"]) might designate the common man as dark, especially black-haired ("hic niger est"), as the pre-Aryan settler of the Italian soil, notably distiguished from the new blond conqueror race by his color. At any rate, the Gaelic presented me with an exactly analogous case: fin, as in the name Fingal, the characteristic term for nobility, eventually the good, noble, pure, originally the fair-haired as opposed to the dark, black-haired native population. The Celts, by the way, were definitely a fair-haired race; and it is a mistake to try to relate the area of dark-haired people found on ethnographic maps of Germany to Celtic bloodlines, as Virchow does. These are the last vestiges of the pre-Aryan population of Germany. (The subject races are seen to prevail once more, throughout almost all of Europe; in color, shortness of skull, perhaps also in intellectual and social instincts. Who knows whether modern democracy, the even more fashionable anarchism, and especially that preference for the commune, the most primitive of all social forms, which is now shared by all European socialists -- whether all these do not represent a throwback, and whether, even physiologically, the Aryan race of conquerors is not doomed?) [The Birth of Tragedy and The Genealogy of Morals, Doubleday Anchor Books, 1956, p.164, boldface added, note]
Here we have an unmistakable racism: the good, noble, and blond Aryans, contrasted with the dark and primitive indigenes of Europe. While Nietzsche's thought is often defended as unrelated to the racism of the Nazis, there does not seem to be much difference from the evidence of this passage. One difference might be Nietzsche's characterization of the "commune" as "the most primitive of all social forms." Nazi ideology was totalitarian and "social," denigrating individualism. Nietzsche would not have gone for this -- and the small, dark Hitler is certainly no Aryan -- but then many defenders of Nietzsche these days also tend to prefer a communitarian democracy, which means they might have more in common with the Nazis, despite their usual anti-racism, than Nietzsche himself. This is characteristic of the confusion of contemporary politics, let alone Nietzsche apologetics. The passage above, at least, provides as much aid and comfort for the Nazis as for any other interpretation or appropriation of Nietzsche.


I could find more ev to support my claim that he is a nazi, but whatever...


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I've only actually gotten around to read Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil and The Antichrist. When I'm finished reading the last book of Paradise Lost, I'm going to read Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Gay Science.

My impression is they're a good read. His works, are personally thought provoking.


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Originally posted by toughshorty:
ok, Nietzche was a nazi. IF you're going to have a thing for nazi philosophers [blah blah blah]


Totally, even though Nietzsche died in 1900.


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don't read him, that is my suggestion. If you want to read some philosophy, I highly recommend zizek or Badiou. Both will take you a while to read tho as they are complicated shit, also perhaps Lacan who is enjoyable, but the better stuff about Lacan would be by Staberchacis (I think that spelling isn't right...) At any rate, being someone who reads TONS of philosophy and hasn't heard of that dude means that you shouldn't read it b/c it is probably not worth your time.


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