Personaly, I think it is very wrong. God gave us that baby to help change the world. And people killing it is not going to help. It could be the next president for all we know. And there are alot of people who can't have children and would love to have a new baby.

Abortion needs to be illegal, That is one of the most screwed up thing in life you could do. If your so mature to have sex, then you need to take the consequences of getting pregnant. If you have sex you need to take care of your actions.
Abortion should be illegal. Adoption is always another way of taking that road. think before you murder! especially a child.

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I would rather see one life lost (in the case of a medically overseen abortion)

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Yea, if it comes down to the lives of both a woman and a baby, then it's sad, but aborting the baby would be the correct thing to do.

2 abortion threads? Count me in!

Although I can easily agree to disagree on this topic it is always brought up and I must voice my oppinion.

Abortion as a last resort will always be available to mothers. I think the choice that should be made is one of saftey to the person making that choice. I would rather see one life lost (in the case of a medically overseen abortion) than two (in the case of a botched back alley abortion).
-Jookly

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Multiple cells living next to each other doesn't nessicarily make it a multicellular organism.

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But it DOES make it alive. And don't use the "hair and nails are alive,too" comeback b/c hair and nails will never form a heart or a brain.

"Cells are living, DUH."
Multiple cells living next to each other doesn't nessicarily make it a multicellular organism.

duh.

-rito

I'm not trying to scare them. I'm trying to show people what they believe in. But I'll put pictures in links from now on.

Luva,as much as I don't like abortion, I'd prefer if you didn't post those pictures to scare people into believing you.

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It is not your child, is it?? You may never meet them, even if they were born.

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Not a very good argument. And very cliched. If you were living in the time of slavery people could have used that argument. Same with that whole Nazi thing. "If you don't like slavery, don't buy slaves" "They're not your slaves, you're not responsible for them, it's none of your business" "The jews aren't inhabiting your country, stay out of it"

Just because something doesn't effect a person directly, doesn't mean it isn't any of their business. B/c if that's how things were, slavery never would have been abolished and Hitler would still be murdering Jews.

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If you're pro-choice, that picture is exactly what you think women should have the choice to do to babies. And it's digusting that people can think that way.

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I do see what you all are saying. I will not force it. I can say when someone as beaten me in an argument, but I still see my points. They all make sense to me. I do not like the fact that the government has the right to tell someone what to do with their child that is unborn. Yes in some degress it is wrong. I have stated this.

I have also stated, that I do not agree with it but it is not my place to stop someone. It really isn't. I think they only reason it is proper is when the child will already die, or the mother. That or they will become terminally ill, or the person was raped, even then they could still have it as painful as it can be.

I may not agree with it, but am still por-choice. It is the mother's choice not yours. It is not your child, is it?? You may never meet them, even if they were born.

I just do not see the point in making it illegal. If it does become that way, which I doubt then the mothers will turn to many different ways which will be so much worse. Hangers, knives.

I just don't see what the big deal is either way.

-Tiff

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No, it wasn't an insult OR a comeback.

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in·sult
v. in·sult·ed, in·sult·ing, in·sults
v. tr.

A. To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness. See Synonyms at offend.
B. To affront or demean: an absurd speech that insulted the intelligence of the audience.

Incorrect! New excuse...

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As I stated before, you are murdering your hair and nails. It is living.

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Nails don't have brains or hearts. Neither does your hair.

Few problems with your reasoning Sadalove...
Firstly...

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Their choice?? They aren't thinking yet, they rely strictly upon their mother. As I stated before, you are murdering your hair and nails. It is living.

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Scientifically speaking they ARE apart from their mother...Don't you people take simple Biology? The baby is SEPERATE from the mother...The blood of the unborn child and the mother doesn't even mix! Yes they DO think, another scientific fact...Secondly, You hair and nails are NOT living...Scientifically when your hair leaves the hair folicle it DIES...When the nail leaves that overhang of skin that it's under it DIES...Why do you think it doesn't hurt when you cut your hair or nails? Because they are already DEAD! All living tissue has nerves that allow you to feel what is happening to the tissue...Since you don't feel it when you cut you N&H logically it means they have no nerves and so logically means they are DEAD TISSUE! Aborting a baby is COMPLETELY different from cutting your H&Ns. A baby being aborted actually SCREAMS...It's brain waves scream, it's heart beats rapidly as if it were being attacked, and it screams out loud...Not loud enough for you to hear without the aid of hearing equipment but still loud enough...I don't see how you could possibly be for killing unborn children...You might not do it but you are telling other people to go ahead and do it...I'm sorry but you REALLY need to think things through again...

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A foetus is not a living thing but more like a mass of cells.

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Cells are living, DUH.

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I cannot see how you can use God as an example, for not killing it. You see now everyone believes in God, and so therefore do not care.

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And some people do believe in God. Those are the people with morals. Well...for the most part. If you don't like arguments involving God, dismiss them.

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No, it wasn't an insult OR a comeback.

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Then what, may I ask, was it?

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I was born 3 1/2 months premature. Perfectly fine,

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They allow abortions until 6 months.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 9 months minus 3 1/2 months 5 1/2 months? Therefore, if you were born at 5 1/2 months perfectly fine, babies are babies BEFORE that 6 months is up, and you are in fact, killing a child that could very possibly be existing outside of the womb months before the date abortion isn't an option anymore.

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Uh, QUESTION!!!!! What do you call an unborn CHILD?

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Up until a certain time they are just a mass of cells. Once they reach a certain time they are grow out of that and that is when it should be wrong to abort.

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What about their CHOICE? What if your mother was PRO-CHOICE and decided to abort YOU?

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Their choice?? They aren't thinking yet, they rely strictly upon their mother. As I stated before, you are murdering your hair and nails. It is living. MURDERER!! Ha. I could have been aborted. They allow abortions until 6 months. I believe that is WRONG, I do not think it should go that high up. I was born 3 1/2 months premature. Perfectly fine, and yet I could be one of those statistics. PRO-CHOICE MEANS YOU THINK IT IS THE PERSON'S CHOICE. IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO, AND DESTROY IT THEN IT IS THEIR PROBLEM. NOT YOURS. PRO-LIFE, YOU CHOOSE TO BE FULLY AGAINST IT. PRO-whatever...I do not the term is that you would abort just because. That is wrong. It is not my problem though, not my body, my conscience. Not my **** to deal with.

I would not abort. I would not at all. I am not a murderer so do not accuse me of such a harsh term.

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Aborting an unborn baby is just the same as murdering a born one...Get the picture peoples...It's been scientifically proven that when the babys reach the stage that all you pro-choicers call the FETUS, they are already thinking about things...Their brain waves are apart from their mother's and they are actually THINKING!!! Same with their heart...Their heart is beating ON ITS OWN by 8 weeks into the pregnancy...about the same time that you figure out that you are pregnant...

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It still relies on the mother. Just like your hair, and nails dammit. You cut it?? You kill it.

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Why don't people just get the picture? HELLO!!!! All you PRO-CHOICERS are also PRO-MURDERERS!!!!!!

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Picture?? What picture?? I get it all. Clearly. You can have to baby, or not. I would keep it, but if someone else chooses to abort it. So be it. It is not my place to stop them. MURDERER!?!?! How dare you make such an accusation...I did not say the baby had to be killed. I said it isn't my place. How dare you insult me.

-Tiff

No, it wasn't an insult OR a comeback. I was tired of the running dialogue, I decided to make a much better point, and you have YET to explain to me WHO you think you are to decide WHAT Life is? Huh? Who are you? Tell me before you dismiss me.

I think it is VERY WRONG for someone to abort a child...

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I am pro-choice. I believe that it is any women's right to have an abortion if they feel they must. I do not think that the government of anyone else for that matter should be able to tell a human, whom has their own mind what to do. In the U.S. it is said to be free and yet they want to stop this and make it illegal?? It makes no sense. I thought the citizens were free??

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Uh, QUESTION!!!!! What do you call an unborn CHILD? What about their CHOICE? What if your mother was PRO-CHOICE and decided to abort YOU? Aborting an unborn baby is just the same as murdering a born one...Get the picture peoples...It's been scientifically proven that when the babys reach the stage that all you pro-choicers call the FETUS, they are already thinking about things...Their brain waves are apart from their mother's and they are actually THINKING!!! Same with their heart...Their heart is beating ON ITS OWN by 8 weeks into the pregnancy...about the same time that you figure out that you are pregnant...Why don't people just get the picture? HELLO!!!! All you PRO-CHOICERS are also PRO-MURDERERS!!!!!!

Okay, so I've just joined. I'm trying to find another board seeing how the one I always went onto is down. That is besides the point, I would like to comment on this.

I am pro-choice. I believe that it is any women's right to have an abortion if they feel they must. I do not think that the government of anyone else for that matter should be able to tell a human, whom has their own mind what to do. In the U.S. it is said to be free and yet they want to stop this and make it illegal?? It makes no sense. I thought the citizens were free??

A foetus is not a living thing but more like a mass of cells. I would not call it a parasite but using the argument that it is a living thing shall not work. Your hair is living, your finger nails are living...are you saying you cannot cut those thigns because they are living?? A foetus cannot survive without the woman's body and so therefore it is part of the mother and they can do what they please with it.

I am not saying that a woman should have an abortion after a certain time, or tri-mester. I think that it is only okay to a certain degree, and then it becomes very faulty.

I cannot see how you can use God as an example, for not killing it. You see now everyone believes in God, and so therefore do not care.

Abortion is someone's right, not something that you need to do, or shove down someone's throat saying it is wrong. It is just something that is.

I do not see how it is such a big deal, when in all reality it isn't anyone else's business to tell someone what is right or wrong, we all have different views.

Yea telling us we're presumptious is a GREAT way to make us see your point of view. I see the light now, PRO-CHOICER FOR LIFE RIGHT HERE BABY!! WHOOO!!!!

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Pro-Lifers are extremely, offensively presumptious. Really, who the **** are you to know what life is?

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And I'm sure an insult is a great way to make pro-choice people look very good.