Nice comback.

Pro-Lifers are extremely, offensively presumptious. Really, who the **** are you to know what life is?

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They death rate was WAY higher back than.

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Yea and with today's technology, there's no reason for a 14 year old to die giving birth.

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People are being responsible with making their own decisions,

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Not if part of that decision is ending a life.

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Yep, I seen some made fun off, beat on, they live in MENTAL institutiones... With NO parents... What a WONDERFUL life.

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At least their parents let them have one.

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Why make abortions illegal and poor women have to live on the streets with their child because they didn't have an option.

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Don't use the "poor woman that has no home and no place for the baby". If she's living on the streets I doubt she can get the money to pay for an abortion. They're NOT cheap, ya know. The fact still remains, most abortions are done because the woman is irresponsible and doesn't want her life cramped.

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"My-foreign-policy-proves-the-large-size-of-my-penis" type of illogic, but this time we are provided with this lovely dewdrop of female wisdom:

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I found that quite amusing.

Luvabug, you have the ****tiest arguments...

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Women back in B.C. didn't. I don't know why you would.

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We do not live back in the BC We live in 2004, the 21st century. They death rate was WAY higher back than. Now, argue with the present circumstances here.

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responsible: doing the right thing and dealing with the consequences of your actions, not pussing out.

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People are being responsible with making their own decisions, that are better for themselves. Not you.

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Have you ever seen a mentally retarded person that looked unhappy?

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Yep, I seen some made fun off, beat on, they live in MENTAL institutiones... With NO parents... What a WONDERFUL life.

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When you go to the store and see a mother yelling at her child and spanking them repeatedly, do you feel bad? Oh geez, why do you feel bad? Why do you care? It's not YOUR child?

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I do feel bad, but I can't do ANYTHING either. And you can't STOP abortions.

Why make abortions illegal and poor women have to live on the streets with their child because they didn't have an option. Sometimes people will go all lengths to get abortions. Illegal, unsafe ones. That isn't right.

Women's Rights. Don't like abortion? Think it's not right? Don't get one. Simple.

1. Ummmmmmm....yes, women "back in B.C." did, the infant mortality rate and birth-related deaths in women was veeeery, veeery high before the onset of more modern medicine.

2. So...Abortion is bad because retarded people can be happy? And if non-aborted babies with birth defects are unhappy, they can commit suicide? Wonderful, heart-warming argument.

3. Do you see women spanking their children in the middle of stores often?

4. Well, if you take the definition of a parasite:

1. biology an organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

I guess you couldn't call a fetus a parasite because it IS contributing to the survival of the host, it's acting as a carrier of that host's genes, but on the other hand, that particular argument is completely pointless, and would only be worthwhile is argued by Hugo Weaving.

5. The thing I love about the right wing is that at heart, most of their ideology is about being primally tough, though usually it's more of the masculine "My-foreign-policy-proves-the-large-size-of-my-penis" type of illogic, but this time we are provided with this lovely dewdrop of female wisdom:

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responsible: doing the right thing and dealing with the consequences of your actions, not pussing out.

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And I also know that when I was fourteen, I was five feet tall, and weighed a little more than ninety pounds, and that if I had had a baby at that weight, I probably would have died.

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Women back in B.C. didn't. I don't know why you would.

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Define responsible and get your head out of your ***.

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responsible: doing the right thing and dealing with the consequences of your actions, not pussing out.

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Wouldn't you hate being retarded and not be able to comprehend something's? That isn't fair for a human.

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Have you ever seen a mentally retarded person that looked unhappy? B/c whenever I see one, they look happy, and they're playing with somebody or something and enjoying their life. To them being retarded doesn't have a meaning because they don't know what it's like to be "normal". And if the "retarded" person is unhappy, they can kill themselves just as easily as me and you can.

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and you can't live with that.

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Yea, I can. And I will.

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It isn't YOUR CHILD! WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?!

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When you go to the store and see a mother yelling at her child and spanking them repeatedly, do you feel bad? Oh geez, why do you feel bad? Why do you care? It's not YOUR child?

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Do you think it's fair for a 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 year old to get pregnant and have a kid that they can't take care of? Or didn't want?

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No, it's not fair. No one ever said life would be fair and sometimes things get hard. Your right, things CAN get worse. But the chances of girls having sex at those ages are very rare. So pretty much the only reason a girl that age would get pregnant is if they were raped, but those cases (including yours) are very rare. She doesn't have to take care of the child. That's what adoption is for.

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I never asked for a child.

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And you were responsible and didn't get an abortion.

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That embryo/fetus is a parasite until it is able to live and survive outside the mother. If the mother doesn't want that parasite, she should be able to get rid of it.

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Again, the last time I checked, a parasite grew up to be a parasite. Not a human.

"In the olden days"
And "in the olden days" you were bled by leeches if you were sick, showering wasn't good for you, and drinking mercury was a medicine.

"What the hell is wrong with society when people think it's alright to kill innocent children because they can't responsible?"
That embryo/fetus is a parasite until it is able to live and survive outside the mother. If the mother doesn't want that parasite, she should be able to get rid of it.

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[This message was edited by rito on May 17, 2004 at 09:31 AM.]

There was supposed to be a 'not' in that statement, sorry.

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At least it's a life.

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Wouldn't you hate being retarded and not be able to comprehend something's? That isn't fair for a human.

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wtf? In the olden days, most woman were having children at 14. Having children at younger ages is less damaging to the body anyways, so saying that 14 year old are not fit to e having children is bs because for thousands of years, that's when women had kids. What the **** was that statement even supposed to mean?

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You idiot. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PAST. WE LIVE IN 2004! Not the OLDEN DAYS. Your 'argument' isn't an 'argument.'

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No. They had sex, they can deal w/ the consequences

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You go and try to have a kid. Than come back. People have rights, you can't go and say something is wrong. People have different views, and you can't live with that.

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Yea, and I don't see what your effing problem is either. What the hell is wrong with society when people think it's alright to kill innocent children because they can't responsible?

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It isn't YOUR CHILD! WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?! It isn't your baby, fetus, egg, body, right, moral, ect. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU! Go and butt into someone else's business 1,000 of people die from other things. This isn't the worst thing in the world. Do you think it's fair for a 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 year old to get pregnant and have a kid that they can't take care of? Or didn't want?

Let me tell you a little story:

I was raped at age 10, I had a baby. And I still have the baby ... but I wish I had an abortion. I love my baby, but it is painful telling a child how they came about ... or where daddy is and why he is there. It is hard looking at my child. I remember things I never wanted to remember. I never asked for a child. That is why I think abortion is OK.

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if they are responsible enough to be having sex, they need to responsible enough to deal with the consequences.

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Define responsible and get your head out of your ***.

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But incase you forgot, the age of 14 used to be the prime time to be having children.

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Okay? And I also know that when I was fourteen, I was five feet tall, and weighed a little more than ninety pounds, and that if I had had a baby at that weight, I probably would have died.

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What a great life that is.

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At least it's a life.

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That is a legitimate argument, in the US and a few other countries, that usually doesn't happen.

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wtf? In the olden days, most woman were having children at 14. Having children at younger ages is less damaging to the body anyways, so saying that 14 year old are not fit to e having children is bs because for thousands of years, that's when women had kids. What the **** was that statement even supposed to mean?

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They should at least have the right of not having the baby.

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No. They had sex, they can deal w/ the consequences.

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so I would just shut up about and waste your energy on something else.

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Nah.

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I really don't see what your ****ing problem is, if you don't like abortion ... DON'T ****ING GET ONE! It isn't that hard to figure out.

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Yea, and I don't see what your effing problem is either. What the hell is wrong with society when people think it's alright to kill innocent children because they can't responsible?

The government should not be able to mandate what women choose do to their bodies.

What kind of life would a child have with parents that didn't want him/her in the first place?

Having a baby changes a person's life. If I were to have a baby right now, I would definetely have an abortion. We (most of us, I hope) have dreams - college, a career, traveling, etc... Having a baby would interfere with goals. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, I don't see any problem with it - unless it's after the first trimester.

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Not your body being killed.
Not the baby's choice to die.
Not your life being ended.

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Did you not read what happened to her?
And meandi, I left that there so I wouldn't have to waste time correcting it, people knew what I meant.

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First of all, it is right to make it illegal.

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Maybe to you.

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Yes, that's gross, but still, it's a human baby.

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A retarded human baby. In most cases, retarded babies do not live with their parents and live in a hospital. What a great life that is.

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I know you're not stupid and I know that you know this. But incase you forgot, the age of 14 used to be the prime time to be having children.

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That is a legitimate argument, in the US and a few other countries, that usually doesn't happen.

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Too damn bad for them, if they are responsible enough to be having sex, they need to responsible enough to deal with the consequences.

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They should at least have the right of not having the baby.

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It's not your place to be thinking people should be able to kill innocent children who haven't even seen the light of day, just because they don't feel like being pregnant.

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With that said, they're is no solution to abortion so I would just shut up about and waste your energy on something else.

I really don't see what your ****ing problem is, if you don't like abortion ... DON'T ****ING GET ONE! It isn't that hard to figure out.

It's sort of sad to think that someone would risk making a child (I'm talking about both parties) yet not care enough to let he or she see the light of day. I don't support abortion.

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It's not right to make something illegal just because some whinny *******s don't like it or can't handle the blood.

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First of all, it is right to make it illegal. Second of all, I can handle the blood.

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You seem to think that people who support abortions are supporting abortions as a type of birth control, so let me make this clear: abortion is not birth control.

It's for people who are pregnant and don't want the baby, bottom line.

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What exactly is your definition of birth control?

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bortion is for people who are impregnated by their brother or father,

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Yes, that's gross, but still, it's a human baby.

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people who are too young to give birth

the pregnant mother is younger than fourteen

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I know you're not stupid and I know that you know this. But incase you forgot, the age of 14 used to be the prime time to be having children.

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people who don't want to give birth to a child who will die within a day of the birth,

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With the chance of the baby dieing soon after birth, there's the chance of a miracle and the baby overcoming what problems he/she may have.

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It's for people who have had sex, using all the birth control it's feasible and healthy to use, and have still gotten pregnant, although they don't want the baby.

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Too damn bad for them, if they are responsible enough to be having sex, they need to responsible enough to deal with the consequences.

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Fetuses/embryos are not people. They are parasites.

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Really? The last time I checked, a parasite grew up to be a parasite, not a human.

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and it's not your place to tell them not to.

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It's not your place to be thinking people should be able to kill innocent children who haven't even seen the light of day, just because they don't feel like being pregnant.

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She was being responsible.

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Yes, she was.

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Can you come up with a good reason that these women (with the exception of rape cases)are having abortion, except for the fact that it would be "cramping their lifestyle"?

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Incest, severe deformation or retardation, the baby has a fatal illness and will die within a few days of it being born, if the pregnant mother is younger than fourteen, depending on her body, she could die giving birth, or if you don't want it. You seem to think that people who support abortions are supporting abortions as a type of birth control, so let me make this clear: abortion is not birth control. Abortion is for people who are impregnated by their brother or father, people who are too young to give birth, people who don't want to give birth to a child who will die within a day of the birth, because you become attached to something after it spends nine months inside of you, and the good-bye will be painful enough without a strong attachment. It's for people who do not have the means, patience, or capabilities of raising a child who will be severely deformed or retarded. It's for people who have had sex, using all the birth control it's feasible and healthy to use, and have still gotten pregnant, although they don't want the baby. It's for people who are pregnant and don't want the baby, bottom line.
And I don't know where the **** you get off being a nosy, self-righteous *****, and telling people what they can and cannot do, although it will never affect you. And by the way, no one has ever had an abortion because a child would "cramp their lifestyle."

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It's killing more people that the Holocaust did.

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Fetuses/embryos are not people. They are parasites. Disgusting little things that live inside of you, steal your money, time, and nutrients.

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You're body should have taken the precautions to not get pregnant. What about the life that's being ended just because you can't be responsible? And with that, what about the body of fetus?

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My best friend's mother got pregnant with all three of her biological children (they have an adopted sister, as well) while she was on birth control. Birth control is a precaution, yet she still got pregnant. She didn't have abortions because she realized after she got pregnant with the first child, Scott, that she kind of wanted him (she probably thinks differently about that now). The same with David and Emily. Carolyn was on birth control, trying not to get pregnant, and she did. She was being responsible. No birth control is one hundred percent effective except abstinence, and if that's what you're trying to preach, please, stop. People are going to have sex, and get abortions, and it's not your place to tell them not to.

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I know you weren't the one that said this, but the "could have been the next Hitler" is a pretty ****ty argument, also.

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I agree. But the person who said it wasn't trying to make a good argument; they were just responding to sarahkid's "argument."

You have absolutely NO RIGHT to tell us what is right or what is wrong. We are all intelligent human beings that can make are OWN decisions. If you don't like it, OH WELL. It's NOT your kid or embryo, fetus, egg, ect. It's NOT your body. It's NOT your life. It's NOT your 'guilt.' It's NOT your pain. It has absolutely nothing to do with you. Worry about something else in this damn world. They're things that are worst than this. GET OVER IT.

If you don't like abortion, don't get one. It's not right to make something illegal just because some whinny *******s don't like it or can't handle the blood.

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And until you have a good reason for women (the vast majority of whom you don't know, will never know, and have never met before, therefore, having no ****ing business telling them what to do,) to not have an abortion,

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Can you come up with a good reason that these women (with the exception of rape cases)are having abortion, except for the fact that it would be "cramping their lifestyle"? That's sure is a pu$s-a$s reason for killing somebody.

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a reason that has nothing to do with God or your ****ing religion

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First of all, I said nothing about God or my religion. Second of all, yea, I can. It's killing more people that the Holocaust did. I think that's a very good reason to get rid of it.

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right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my life and my body and my fetus (or embryo).

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You're body should have taken the precautions to not get pregnant. What about the life that's being ended just because you can't be responsible? And with that, what about the body of fetus?

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This is not a legitimate arguement. At all.

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I know you weren't the one that said this, but the "could have been the next Hitler" is a pretty ****ty argument, also.

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what life? being in a womb isnt really life.

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It's where life begins.

what life? being in a womb isnt really life.