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Registered: August 17, 2001
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All I have to say is.. Cheese, particularly Velveeta cheese, is very good.. Did god make cheese? I think not 
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Registered: March 02, 2003
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also, how do you know that God exists? Because you feel it or something, right? Well, that's exactly how I know that God doesn't. And neither or us have much more proof. So which one of us is right?
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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As Amaris so eloquently put it...
I don't -fully- believe in evolution, but that's because I don't claim to know everything, iluvjp. As far as Christianity goes, I might as well conclude that Santa invented the world so his elves could take over.. Is this really worth explaining?
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Registered: March 02, 2003
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If God had wanted everyone to be Christian wouldn't he have made everyone Christian? And yeah, actually, Gem does know what she believes, but I think she also believes that she doesn't have to explain it to you. Not everyone is Christian. Live with it.
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Registered: April 05, 2003
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Do you even know what you believe? You say you don't really believe in evolution and I know you don't believe in God, so until you figure out what you believe, stop trying to prove Christians wrong.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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quote: How is that fair? Give me ANY kind of tangible proof that a high-being doesn't exist, and support it. Until then, God remains a truth
What the hell do you think I've been doing? Listing reasons as to why the existence of any deity is purely myth.. quote: And just because one of your five senses doesn't pick God up doesn't mean he doesn't exist
You're right; it doesn't. So prove to me that he does. Is it because you sneezed? I bet god made you do that.. it was part of your destiny, right? Oh, and the time you shared your toys with other children when you were small.. I bet god was the one who made you do that too, right? So PROVE it. Because there is no tangible evidence, god doesn't exist. He is simply an ancient fabrication that still exists today, unfortunately. quote: The universe is too perfect for it to have been an accident or mere happening. There had to be intelligence behind it
Why? The universe isn't perfect.. and if evolution is correct, though I have my doubts, then god is completely destroyed. Why did there have to be a god behind the universe? And if so, why couldn't multiple gods have created it? quote: There has to be something holding it together, the No-space between the space (science has talked about this).
So you assume that a god is keeping the world running, eh? That's what peasants who assumed the world was round thought 1,000+ years ago. quote: And I say that people assume there is no God because they have a limited knowledge of the workings of the universe. It's amusing how we use our words "against" each other in debates, isn't it?
The only thing that I find amusing is people who are fully grown and believe in this fundamentalist BS  You can assume there is a god because the universe exists.. but you cannot prove how god came into existence, can you? And like I mentioned earlier, how do you know only one deity, or high-being, exists? If there's more than one god, the bible is thus factored out of truth, along with Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all other monotheistic religions.
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Registered: June 11, 2003
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quote: Give me ANY kind of tangible proof that a high-being exists, and support it. Until then, god remains a fairy-tale.
How is that fair? Give me ANY kind of tangible proof that a high-being doesn't exist, and support it. Until then, God remains a truth. See, that's not a good argument. And just because one of your five senses doesn't pick God up doesn't mean he doesn't exist. quote: Then why don't you start throwing out feasible reasons supporting the existence of god?
Other people already have, but I guess I'll throw in another, one that you maybe don't hear much. Here it is: The universe is too perfect for it to have been an accident or mere happening. There had to be intelligence behind it. There has to be something holding it together, the No-space between the space (science has talked about this). quote: People assumed the world was flat because they had a limited knowledge of the workings of the universe..
And I say that people assume there is no God because they have a limited knowledge of the workings of the universe. It's amusing how we use our words "against" each other in debates, isn't it? quote: Some people think they heard the voice of god and the voice told them to kill... would you listen to that voice?
Then they were wrong, that wasn't the voice of God. That wasn't the best thing to do.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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quote: Just because there is no proof something exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Give me ANY kind of tangible proof that a high-being exists, and support it. Until then, god remains a fairy-tale. quote: Also, the Bible isn't the only proof of God's existence.
Then why don't you start throwing out feasible reasons supporting the existence of god? quote: For many years people thought the world was flat, but once we actually evolved to the point where we could see it was round then our "facts" changed.
People assumed the world was flat because they had a limited knowledge of the workings of the universe.. which is why they fabricated a god. It made sense to them. Their god(s) explained what they didn't understand. This is just another reason why any deity ceases to exist. quote: I think it is highly possible and very probable that science will evolve and eventually will prove that God does exist.
I seriously doubt that, but if so, Atheism wouldn't exist. And science is the antithesis of religion, so they both aim to disprove one another.
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Registered: April 15, 2003
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quote: God is the little voice in my head telling me what's right and what's wrong
Do you ever bother to assess things for yourself rather than listening to "voices"? Some people think they heard the voice of god and the voice told them to kill... would you listen to that voice?
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Registered: June 11, 2003
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It's not that I can't clearly see your point, I just think it's flawed logic. Just because there is no proof something exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, the Bible isn't the only proof of God's existence. Is television the only proof of Michael Jordan's existence?
For many years people thought the world was flat, but once we actually evolved to the point where we could see it was round then our "facts" changed.
I think it is highly possible and very probable that science will evolve and eventually will prove that God does exist.
And in reply to the Rapture post, people have always said that "Jesus and God are coming" and they've always been wrong, because they never left! Heheheh. Even the Bible (which I don't believe to be accurate, by the way) says that no one knows when Jesus will "come back."
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Registered: May 23, 2003
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There have always been wars, homosexuality, and hateration of Christianity.
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Registered: June 15, 2003
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Some people say that there isn't a God because you can't see him or hear him or feel him. Faith is all around you whether you know it or not. Faith is what it takes to know that the ground you're standing on won't fall through. I will proudly say that I am a christian,and I most definitely DO believe in God. I talk to him everyday and I get responses.God is the little voice in my head telling me what's right and what's wrong. Some people call it conscience,but that's God. If you're an Atheist then where did you come from? Do you think you evolved from an ape? There may be Scientific "theories" but all scientists have done is tried to prove wrong what they dont understand. If you've heard anything about the Bible recently then you should know about the revalation and Rapture.How do you explain that all the things mentioned in the Bible containing facts about the Rapture are coming true. The wars,the homosexuality,and the hating of the Bible and its believers.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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quote: Gemini, I have no proof that you exist except for words (and God gave us words too), so according to the Atheism philosophy that means you don't exist? It has nothing to do with the court of Law and having to prove anything, you can't fairly compare the two.
Does God talk to you? Does he even -type- to you? If so, you might want to check in to an asylum. You know I exist because I respond to you systematically. I make mistakes, I get angry, etc. God, on the other hand, does not speak to people. He "inspired" people to write the bible (i.e. it's not his exact words). There is no proof other than the bible to prove god's existence.. but the bible is pure myth, thus proving the god is a fairy-tale. And my "court-of-law" scenario was strictly hypothetical, not literal. It's an example, made to help you clearly see my point, which you refuse to
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Registered: June 11, 2003
Posts: 13
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Gemini, I have no proof that you exist except for words (and God gave us words too), so according to the Atheism philosophy that means you don't exist? It has nothing to do with the court of Law and having to prove anything, you can't fairly compare the two.
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Registered: June 08, 2003
Posts: 174
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quote: I don't think that would make the whales very happy
Ahh, but I beg to differ. See, I'm a prophet. The Whale tells me what to do, and I carry out His will. And, let me tell you, he REALLY wants me to smash Jookly with a big rock if he makes that same non-sensical arguement again...
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Registered: March 02, 2003
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I never believed in Heaven, even before I was Wiccan. It just scared me, and didn't make much sense to me....the concept of forever. It still doesn't make sense. Forever...that seems to me like the sky going on, never ending, but I don't see how a soul can do that.
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Registered: June 10, 2003
Posts: 79
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I am not affended by anything that athiest say. I think that we both feel battered some times. I dont like it when people tell me that I shouldnt write things about my religion, because that is who I am. I am personally okay with your oppinion, you after all have an oppinion. I am sorry if us christians come off of as people who tell you " you are condemmed to hell", that isnt what we are trying to do.If you wanted to talk about it, or learn more that would be fine, but it doesnt sound to me you do  Lol. It kinda reminds me of Racism....cant we just all get along? I mean I have been a part of this thing for 4 days and everyone is complaining about eachother, lets face it that everyone is different. that goes with their beliefs too!!!
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Registered: August 17, 2001
Posts: 6970
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Violence is not the answer, kiddies 
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Registered: March 08, 2003
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quote: should I just skip a step and go straight to beating you with a big rock
I don't think that would make the whales very happy 
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Registered: June 08, 2003
Posts: 174
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quote: Its foolish to think the bible or any other holy text is not fantasy. Anyone could write a similar story and claim that it was god inspired.
Thoughts and ideas come from our brains, a place that can precieve things that arent real.
Rrgh. Do I have to go over this AGAIN, or should I just skip a step and go straight to beating you with a big rock?
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