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Registered: April 15, 2003
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quote: I'm just curious...how would he get to the Americas?
Maybe he walked...
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Registered: May 06, 2003
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Eh. That makes as much sense to me as the rest of the religion. ::shrugs::
-rito
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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quote: "I also believe that Jesus didn't just stay over in the Middle East-Jerusalem Area to do is many teachings, he came to the Americas." I'm just curious...how would he get to the Americas? People back then didn't even dream of sailing that far for they thought the world was flat! Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Oh, well the answer to that is obvious. He's God, he can do whatever the hell he wants to make sure every argument against him has a cop out. You ask why America is so prosperous and protected? The protection of the oceans, abundant natural resources, stable politcal structure, and good policy, that's why.
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Registered: May 06, 2003
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"I also believe that Jesus didn't just stay over in the Middle East-Jerusalem Area to do is many teachings, he came to the Americas." I'm just curious...how would he get to the Americas? People back then didn't even dream of sailing that far for they thought the world was flat! Correct me if I'm wrong though.
-rito
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Registered: June 17, 2003
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I believe in God. I do believe in God and our Lord Savior Jesus Christ who was God's Son and died on the cross for our sins and transgressions so we can live on the path to righteousness in which I am very grateful for. I believe in Heaven and Hell, but also I believe that people have a chance to go to Heaven no matter how bad they have been, just as long as they repent. I also believe that Jesus didn't just stay over in the Middle East-Jerusalem Area to do is many teachings, he came to the Americas. C'mon guys and gals. Explain why the Americas are so prosperoous and are always protected. Because Jesus has a reason for it. I also believe that not too long ago he chose a prophet to restore the Church of Jesus Christ on this earth because of the state of society. Well anyways, tell me i'm going to hell, or ridicule me if you want. I believe in Jesus and God, and that God created the heavens, the earth, man, and animal and every living thing on this earth. But also that he knows whats in for us in the future, but we have the power to take that into our own hands and do his will for us. That's all I really have to say... -JK 
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Registered: January 18, 2003
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quote: I've also read somewhere that these acids were of the wong hand (left hand/ right hand) to be similar to ours. Not sure if it's true but it could be another mark against it. If you know some more about that please fill me in.
From what I remember, from my molecular biology class, and some info on the web, it appears that apparently of the twenty amino acids that life uses they are all of the left handed variety. I'm still a little fuzzy on the specifics right now, probably because its 4 in the morning, so a little further research will be required on my part before I can discuss this any further. I'll check some of my texts for further information, but here�s a two links, one providing some information and the other gets a little deeper into it. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB040.htmlhttp://www.scripps.edu/news/press/021401.htmlI'll address the other parts of your post after I get some sleep.
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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quote: Again I will say it, According to what calculations, what sources, what theorem did you use to figure this out?
While I agree it is pretty moronic to say "the chances are 1 in 1 <insert sufficiently rediculous yet random number of zeros here>", the question posed is still valid. How exactly did the first proteins and RNA/DNA precursors form? From what we have observed about protiens, there is no conceivable source of engergy, nore processs, that would create one spontaneously. You know it would be extremely rare, but then you must also explain how this highly rare and impossible to create protien enzyme was produced near enough to this extremly fragile and short lived RNA/DNA molecule so that they could relplicate. And then they would only do so if they were the exact specific protiens for the DNA. The coinicidences start to get rediculous. quote: Also the conditions that scientists have concluded created life on this planet have been tested and have shown to create Amino acids, building blocks of DNA.
Only part of the builing block. We also have sugars and whatnot. It's a very complex molecule, reletive to everything we know. Amino acids are extremely simple by comparison, and even they needed a specific set of circuimstances (in a closed laboratory nonetheless) to be created sponatneously. I've also read somewhere that these acids were of the wong hand (left hand/ right hand) to be similar to ours. Not sure if it's true but it could be another mark against it. If you know some more about that please fill me in.
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Registered: January 18, 2003
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quote: mouse trap has a certain amount of parts. If you take ANY of them out it doesn't WORK!!
Of course it wouldn't, because the various identifiable parts go into identifying it as a specific kind of mouse trap. But this is assuming that there is only one type of machine that can trap mice. Also your little theory leaves out adaptation, as stupidity so eloquently pointed out. Of course if you go back words and a certain part taken out its not going to work. But fortunately we are not caught in a backwards loop and therefore we go forward and therefore this allows for newer more efficient forms DNA to come about. Also you failed to get the point of my previous point, when I said "Complexity is based on perspective" I meant the idea of COMPLEXITY is a driven by perspective. What one sees as "Complex" can be deemed as simple by another. quote: "Evolutionists claim that although we haven't actually observed evolution it is not impossible it is highly improbable. If you took all the carbon in the universe and put it on the earth allowed it to chemically react at the highest rate possible, and left it for a billion years, the chances of creating just one protein molecule would be one in about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000."
Again I will say it, According to what calculations, what sources, what theorem did you use to figure this out? Also we HAVE observed evolution; we continually observe evolution on a genetic level, Micro-evolution. Also the conditions that scientists have concluded created life on this planet have been tested and have shown to create Amino acids, building blocks of DNA. Also let�s look at Cockroaches becoming resistant to pesticides, viruses mutating and becoming immune to vaccines, perfect examples of Macro-evolution.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Ifeel that God has already set out how our lives will be in 2005. He has the power to do anything he can and feel.But today most people onlyu call on God when they need something. Every one should believe in God because your life depends on him.
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Registered: July 12, 2003
Posts: 107
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"Evolutionists claim that although we haven't actually observed evolution it is not impossible it is highly improbable. If you took all the carbon in the universe and put it on the earth allowed it to chemically react at the highest rate possible, and left it for a billion years, the chances of creating just one protein molecule would be one in about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000."
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Registered: July 12, 2003
Posts: 107
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A. God didn't predestine what was gonna happen in our life.Which is why he gave us free will to make our own decisions. B. A mouse trap has a certain amount of parts. If you take ANY of them out it doesn't WORK!! Same with DNA it isn't a matter of opinion, it is a fact.
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Registered: April 15, 2003
Posts: 1396
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quote: He planned out our lives
quote: Please if you don't believe in God then you have a problem.
If everything everyone does is planned out in advance, you can't condemn anything anyone does because consequently you're condemning your god's plan, thus condemning your god.
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Registered: October 05, 2003
Posts: 607
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God made us all. He planned out our lives and threw us down here(not literally). We are all destined to die some time and although it might affect the people who love us they're just gonna need to live their lives to the fullest until they die. Please if you don't believe in God then you have a problem. Please do the right so you can go to Heaven. I'm out.
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Registered: November 11, 2003
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___That's why it's a theory, but adaptations are a different story.
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Registered: January 18, 2003
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quote: While we are on the subject,Evolution is impossible. DNA is iriducably complex, like a mouse trap. I f you take away any part of it it wont function properly.Meaning Dna can't evolve from anything simpler
Oh god, not the irreducibly complex argument, I thought this logic had been realized as faulty back ALONG time ago. Complexity is based on perspective and therefore cannot be tool of judgment in the legitimacy of a theory that is based on an event that exists outside of just our perspective.
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Registered: July 12, 2003
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While we are on the subject,Evolution is impossible. DNA is iriducably complex, like a mouse trap. I f you take away any part of it it wont function properly.Meaning Dna can't evolve from anything simpler
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Registered: July 12, 2003
Posts: 107
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Stormfearie, christians dont believe you get in by merely accepting jesus as savior because satan also believe that jesus is gods son and he(satan) is not going to heaven. Christians have to do worksor act if you will, it takes more than believeing.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
Posts: 102
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Yes, I believe in Him. He saved us from our sins, and that's the best explanation I can think of. All my guilt went to Him... My lies, my mistakes, my bad mouth, my behaviour, my sins .... I put it all in Him and I feel renewed.
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Registered: January 18, 2003
Posts: 1110
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quote: I didn't say we directly came from apes...but usually they have the theory of humans evolving from: "Homo Habilis",-"Homo Erectus",-"Homo Sapien Neanderthalus"-then to "Homo Sapien- Sapiens"...
Well its good to see at least you are informed to some degree in the field of primatology.So your not drawing an opinion with limited information, then that leads me to respect your opinion more on this subject.
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