Yes I can understand Hebrew. That's my grandmother's native language so if you know where I can find one let me know. Also I'm sure there are alot of homosexuals out there that have sex in beds that were once women. They are an abomination. Will they go to hell? Like the sound of that! Also my GOD is a genius I mean he created me.

Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. ASV

Correct Hebrew translation: "and with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination".

It can be seen that, rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur. Culturally, a woman's bed was her own. Other than the woman herself, only her husband was permitted in her bed, and there were even restrictions on when he was allowed in there. Any other use of her bed would have been considered defilement. Other verses in the Law will help clarify the acceptable use of the woman's bed.

Leviticus 20:13

Correct Hebrew translation: "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them."

http://www.apostolicrestorationmission.4t.com/id27.htm

The NGPA has analyzed the verse in great detail to produce a word-for-word translation of the original Hebrew. 4 In English, with minimal punctuation added, they rendered it as: "And with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination. That is, "rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur." This may seem a strange prohibition to us today, but was quite consistent with other laws in Leviticus which involve improper mixing of things that should be kept separate. e.g. ancient Hebrews were not allowed to mix two crops in the same field, or make cloth out of two different raw materials, or plow a field with an ox and a donkey yoked together. A woman's bed was her own. Only her husband was permitted there, and then only under certain circumstances. Any other use of her bed would be a defilement.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm

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Yeah let me know where you got that original bible from. I would love to read that. A man can have sex with another man just not in a woman's bed. Yeah that doesn't even sound smart. Let me know where I can pick up this original bible.

I don't know where you can get it, but you better understand Hebrew or possibly Greek if you want it. And yeah, I guess your God isn't very smart at all.

Yeah let me know where you got that original bible from. I would love to read that. A man can have sex with another man just not in a woman's bed. Yeah that doesn't even sound smart. Let me know where I can pick up this original bible.

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Ok then my personal view is it's disgusting and I just don't see why you would make that choice.

You think it's disgusting, so what? you have no basis for telling people what is right or what they're allowed to do because it does not affect you.

And I don't know how you got that out of EarthGoddess's post.

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Ok so now you're saying that that homosexuality isn't the issue, but having "gay sex" is?

Wow. Your Reading Comprehension is quite low. I'll repeat.

"Homosexuality isn't the issue, where you make love to your gay lover is the issue."

In the original bible, homosexuality wasn't a problem, where you committed that act was the problem. In other words, have sex with another man all you want, just not in a woman's bed.

Ok so now you're saying that that homosexuality isn't the issue, but having "gay sex" is? So what are you trying to say now? That homosexuality is ok, but when you start having sex with the opposite gender then it becomes a problem? It's just like pastors who are now proclaiming to be gay. They can be gay, but as long as they don't practice their lifestyle they will get a greater reward when they get to heaven. Are you saying homosexuality is like that?

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Ok then my personal view is it's disgusting and I just don't see why you would make that choice.

Didn't you know? Because they LOVE being called disgusting. They LOVE being attacked physically and verbally. They LOVE not being allowed to marry. They LOVE being disowned by their families. They just LOVE not being allowed to visit a teminally ill lover. They LOVE being threatened and murdered. They absolutely LOVE being the most hated minority. Yeah!

Oh and just so you know, the ORIGINAL Bible, the untouched, unedited, perfectly translated bible says "Men should not lie with another man, in a woman's bed." Homosexuality isn't the issue, where you make love to your gay lover is the issue.

Ok then let's take religion out of the equation. I believe that it's a disgusting choice. That's where I stand. You want to keep pointing out that my religion is this/that. Ok then my personal view is it's disgusting and I just don't see why you would make that choice.

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I don't judge abyone

You say that you don't, but from what you write, you do.

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Don't tell me I don't know my Father.

You can not convince me that your god is the correct god when my god has a different set of guidlines.The United States is a secular nation so while you cannot be forced into accepting homosexuality, you cannot use your religion to stop people from having rights.

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I'm not forcing my religion on anyone.

yo usay that you're not, but you expect everyone to live by your moral code that includes no homosexuality, premarital sex, birth control (I assume), etc.

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if its so hilarious to you then why are you going into "Defense mode". you're starting to act like a child. and i dont see any hilarity in this situation. people are being brutally murdered because they choose to be gay and all you care about is what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms and then you start to laugh at us for no reason at all.
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Oh my look at that. Well I'll be. Someone finally standing up and taking responsibility. I'm telling you you guys choose and finally someone admitted it.

True sex before marriage is a sin too. People need to be worried about it and stop. Anything I have to say about the Bible I believe and follow. I'm not some hypocrite whatever your sin is it's still sin. Yeah I sin too we all do, but some of us repent.

Obviously some people can't read too well. Let me say this again: I DON'T HATE ANYONE. I don't judge abyone and I'm not forcing my religion on anyone. Before you state that read the end of my post. Yeah you're right I have never met GOD, but I do know him. I know what he wants and I know he loves all of us. I know his word. Don't tell me I don't know my Father. So yeah read first post later.

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We are individuals and I don't think GOD would choose for certain people to be Gay.

You don't know though. you don't know God so you cannot say whether or not he would create people as homosexuals. Frankly, I think you should let all the homosexuals tell you if they are making a choice.

Furthmore, however, you cannot use religon as a backing for hate or unequal opportunities. Not everyone believes in your religon so not everyone can be forced to follow the rules set forth by your religon.

The GAY lifestyle that I speak of is what you do. What do straight people do hook up with the opposite sex. What do gay people do hook up with the same sex. That's what I'm saying it's not so difficult to figure out. Of course people are going to say that they didn't choose something that condemns them and treats them as outcasts. I wouldn't want to either, but they do. It's just like people who say they knew they were gay when they were 2. What!! that's ridiculous. What do you know about sexuality at 2 years old. You should know nothing and enjoy being a child.

Because of this, GOD gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1:26-27

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of GOD? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of GOD. 1 COR 6:9-10

Sure you may have something to say about me quoting scripture. That's my evidence and that's what I believe. This is what I follow and have faith in and you can't tell me this is wrong.

Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in JESUS CHRIST. So we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by obserivng the law no one will be justified. GAL 2:16

"As a new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." JOHN 13:34

I can't judge, disown, condemn or hate. That's not what I'm doing, but I do have my own beliefs. I know where I stand in my spirtual life. Some people may not believe these words or follow them. Who are you to say my beliefs and faith is wrong and yours is right? I'm not saying that everyone has to be the same in this world that would be boring. We are individuals and I don't think GOD would choose for certain people to be Gay. Believe what you want, but that's where I stand. Love the sinner hate the sin. That's what I do. I know my heart and I have no problem with Homomsexuals. I love them as much as I love any of GOD'S children. Where would I be without my faith? What would my life be? I think I would be lost if I didn't have my faith and follow it. I don't want to force religion on anyone I do know how that feels. I went to a Christian boarding school and not everyone believes the same thing. I do know that GOD loves us all whether we believe in him or not. That's your own personel choice, but don't think I'm some bible-toting hypocrite. I make mistakes and I pay for them. I do own up to them and I just don't believe GOD would choose to condemn some people and not others. That's my evidence and my answer.

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Why do people take so much offense to people saying they chose to be GAY?

Every gay person I know has said that they were born gay. They did not choose their sexuality. I'd take offense too. You're acting like you know more about a person's sexuality than they do.

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Yeah they chose that.

How do you know that? What is your evidence?

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The thing is you are supposed to be happy with yourself right? Yet homosexuals run around saying how they are hated and why would anyone choose this lifestyle. Then all of a sudden they are happy with themselves and they stand on campuses and have the GAY/STRAIGHT alliance. Well which one is it? Are you happy to be who you are or are you ashamed of what you chose?

OH MY GOD. The purpose of gay/straight alliances is to create a hate-free and safe environment for people of all sexualities. It is meant to fight the abuse. Some gay people are treated very well. Others are not. You can't completey stereotype an entire sexuality. My god, this is frustrating. FOD and Yoge, where are you???

Pandora, I ask you to please answer my questions in this post and in my previous post.

Why do people take so much offense to people saying they chose to be GAY? You say that GAY people get so much abuse and are rejected. Yeah they chose that. The thing is you are supposed to be happy with yourself right? Yet homosexuals run around saying how they are hated and why would anyone choose this lifestyle. Then all of a sudden they are happy with themselves and they stand on campuses and have the GAY/STRAIGHT alliance. Well which one is it? Are you happy to be who you are or are you ashamed of what you chose?

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I loved Jake and Heath together it was great. On to the subject though I just think that you choose to be GAY. That's what I mean by the GAY lifestyle. What you do and who you love.

So I assume that means I chose the "straight lifestyle". That's funny. I don't remember the defining moment when I woke up one morning and said "I think I'll like guys." And what is this gay lifestyle of which you speak?

And why would anyone choose to be gay? Homosexuals get so much abuse and homosexual couples do not have rights equal to heterosexual couples.

I loved Jake and Heath together it was great. On to the subject though I just think that you choose to be GAY. That's what I mean by the GAY lifestyle. What you do and who you love.

I think they mean "gay lifestyle", thinking that all gays and lesbians are the steryotype: very girly men, very macho women. You need to classify them like you do to any other person; as individuals.

I hate when people say the gay lifestyle. it is no more alifestyle than being straight is. It may be part of it but your sexual orientation does not determine what your life is like.