This war is bringing independence and freedom to a nation of more then 25 million people who have never felt it before. This war is taking care of one threat that not only threatens the United States, but the World. This war with Iraq is making the world a much more interesting place then just "right or wrong" and "black or white," it's making us, the citizens of Earth safe again. This war is making millions of people more concerned with what is happening in the world. Evil was living in Iraq, and soon, very soon, peace, freedom and independence will rein and rein for eternity.
So, you can support this war, because even though right now people are dying, they won't for long. The fighting will stop soon, because the good guys are winning.

The war in Afghanistan was in retribution for the attacks on Sept. 11th and I feel that the attacks were required. Osama bin Laden and his army of cowards will no even think of considering talks, because Americans, civilians and military, are all legitimate targets. The U.N. cannot enact sanctions or send in peacekeepers to a Al Qaeda, because it is not a nation, it is a network of hundreds of terrorist groups occupying different nations. Although they failed to capture Osama bin Laden and Mullah Mohammed Omar they have acheive one of their many objectives one of which was to find intel and disperse the Al Qaeda training camps.
As for the war in Iraq, the main issue Pres. Bush had with Iraq was the fact that Saddam had been given 12 years to disarm his WMDs. Another issue was the fact that a lot of the monetary gains made by the Food For Oil program was not handed to the civilians it was meant for but diverted into Saddam's banks and spend on building lavish palaces and arming his army. But the U.N. had not realized this, neither had the French, Germans, Russians and Chinese, all of whom has/had been accussed of selling illegal parts and weapons to Iraq.
The hostilities against the Iraqi army has ended, but pockets of resistance from rebels are still there. Although, it may seem horrendous to some, it is my belief that civilian casualties are to be expected. The belief that combat in a developed country would not incur civilian deaths is, sad to say, ridiculus. Hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, died in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam war. You might say that was the result of all out war, but you can also say that the United States Air Force and the United States Department of Defence along with the other U.S. Armed Forces has done everything to minimize the amount of civilian deaths. But you cannot garuanttee anything when it comes to technology. The U.S. has only targeted military building and Targets of Interest. If any civilian buildings were hit it was because of stray missiles or of deperate attacks by the Iraqi military to make the U.S. seem like it is intentionally attack civilians. But since those who volunteered themselves to the "defense of Islam" and began to commit suicide bombings making the ground troops more tense about civilians who approach them. But America has not neglected the war in Afghanistan. The Americans have been making advances and sadly taking losses. Their job right are as peacekeepers and trainers for future soldiers of Afghanistan.

For those of you who are being harassed, I feel for you. I am for the war and I am awaiting my deployment date for basic training but many in school view these as my support for baby killing and raping women, and my need to participate these things. Ignorace is a powerful weapon for those who are incapable of acceptance. But stand firm and accept the verbal abuse and remained calm while they taunted and spit at me. Respect one another, millions of men and women have died, served, and sacrifice to defend the 1st amendment.

R L T W

i do not agree with the war in Iraq and when we had a disscussion on it at school and i was the only one who felt that way(many agreed with me but were afraid to say something cuz the whole class basiclly attacked me and my opinions and beliefs) i was attacked and they told me i was not an american, couldn't support the troops if i didn't support the cause,i was hurting the troops and their families and not giving Bush support that is mandatory of a true US citizen and they said i was selfish and cared nothing for other people. I then understood how the protesters musthave felt when being critized by every1. I was all4 protesting be4 the war but now i wouldn't cuz i know it must be hard enough 4 te troops and their families. But its like people r so narrow minded and 1 siding telling me 2 chose support the war or be against the troops. I respect the troops sooooooooo much and i hope they can all come back safely and i have deep admiration for them and will welcome them as heros when they return. But i just cant lie to myself and support the war because simply i still think it wasn't nessasary because 1 no weapons have been found. Also how in Afganistan where we essentially did a similiar thing the taliban is trying to come back there have been many rebellions and it is still not secure over 1 yr later and the conditions of the people didn't improve much they are still not safe and we didn't even get Osama Bin ladden. What happens if we never get Saddam? 2 the fact that if it was about the people we could have worked something out unilaterially with the Hamanitiarian sector of the UN and saved civilian deaths as well as the 106 soldier deaths. And for moral reasons and other reasons of logicitc that is y no 1 welcomes a war. Also i think that now with the war money will be taken away from things like education, aids/hiv help in Africa,etc. Also that there are so many other countries that tourture its people( ie Saudi Arabi, North Korea, etc.) and we turn a blind eye or just let some1 else deal w/ it. We didn't even aknowledge that the Saudi government violates its civil rites on our list of countries that do that, when frequently people are killed for being Christians and other relgions. People can disagree with me, they can have their opinion and i can have mine and its okay their is no right opinion and no wrong opinion. and i dont think we can attack protesters from exercising their right as an american citizen and even if we dont agree with them we cant stop them its their right, if we did that we would be a dictatorship. ALSO i heard soliders say they felt good seeing protests cuz that is what they are fighting for to give to the Iraqis, freedom to speak ur mind.

I agree. I think that opposing the war is a great form of patriotism. It shows that you want to support a better government, and that you dont wish to be labled by other countries as a "barbarian" or "war-monger". I am very against this war, but at the same time I love my country.

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HOW COULD SOMEONE BE AGAISNT THE WAR ON TERRIOST?

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Yes, I am against it. Yet I am not a strict pacifist that believes that all war is wrong; I think that sometimes war is a painful necessity at times (like WWII). But the way that this war in Afghanistan was carried out (and is being carried out) was very sloppy. For example, we bombed a red cross center around November of 2001, and last year we attacked a wedding reception. And now that we're focusing so much attention and money and manpower in Iraq, the Taliban is slowly starting to seize control again.

I would not be quite so adamant about these wars, if only the Bush Administration and the hawks in the Pentagon would learn to carry out these campaigns with more grace, diplomacy, and sincerity. Making the world safe for democracy... yeah right! The Administration is selling contracts to big oil companies and planning to set up a puppet government under a former CIA agent and an exiled white collar criminal even as I type these words.

While American soldiers are dying and fighting for the freedom of those who don't even belong to this nation, it's personally my belief we're doing the right thing. But those soldiers also fight for American Rights, and that includes freedom of speech, if you don't believe in a war, than protest it, it's your right.

HOW COULD SOMEONE BE AGAISNT THE WAR ON TERRIOST? I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE AGAINST THE WAR ON IRAQ. BUT THE WAR ON TERRIOSTS THAT MAKES ME SICK.

Although your remark made me angry, at least your excercising your freedoms by expressing what you think is best for this country. I still do not agree with you, but we are aloud to have our differences.

IT MAKES ME ABSOLUTELY SICK TO THINK THAT WHILE OUR COUNTRY'S BRAVE SOLDIERS ARE OFF FIGHTING TO KEEP YOU SAFE, YOU JUST SIT ON YOUR LAZY BUTT AND WHINE ABOUT IT!!!! IF YOU THINK THE MILITARY IS JUST RUNNING INTO IRAQ TO KILL EVERYONE, YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG!!! BY BROTHERS ARE OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR YOU AND ALL YOU DO IS SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN!! I AM SO PROUD OF THEM AND I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!! THEY MILITARY IS HIGHLY TRAINED, MORE THAN YOU THINK, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IF WE DON'T FIGHT NOW, WE'LL HAVE TO EVENTUALLY AND THEN IT WILL JUST BE WORSE. EVEN IF WE DO JUST KILL SADAM, ANOTHER PERSON JUST LIKE HIM WILL TAKE OVER! WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT OF POWER SO WE ARE NOT THREATENED BY THEM!!!!!

No that I think of it, I really am for the War! And I'm sorry, if none of you really care then I can just tell my REAL friends about it. It is true that Saddam has had 12 years to disarm his weapons and did he? No! He didn't! When he said he didn't have any Nuclear weapons or any at all, he sent a Scudd Missle to Kuwait City...I admit! I was afraid! I was worried because Iowa was..or maybe still is...in the top 5 to get bombed in the US by "So Damn Insane" because we have a Nuclear Power Plant near Palo Beach and we are the main food source for the USA! I mean..if we get bombed and can't make any more food. WE DIE! And the same question remains: NoW WhAt?

I'm not sure where I stand at this War. It is confusing for me to decide weither or not I am suppossed to support Mr. Bush's decision or just forget about worrying about The War With Iraq. And I think it is wrong to just talk nasty about people who are against it! People who are against the War, are most likely supporting our troops! If any of you want to pray for someone, fo to http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/ Have fun with your lives and let the Adults worry about the war, as my Iowa History teacher said!

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i think that all this bull****. Bush (who i hate) is supose to be gettin Suddam Hussian out of Dictatorship, looking for one person. Yet, hes bombing a country! killing innocent people, and children. when he can go there, look for him instead of bombing it, and kill him them. i dont see the point in all this.

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The United States military has been bombing/attacking buildings that Hussein might be in. They don't randomly attack places and hope to kill hundreds of civilians. The point is to take Saddam out of power and re-establish a new government for the suppressed Iraqis. There are more underlying reasons for this war, but I won't go into them.

i think that all this bull****. Bush (who i hate) is supose to be gettin Suddam Hussian out of Dictatorship, looking for one person. Yet, hes bombing a country! killing innocent people, and children. when he can go there, look for him instead of bombing it, and kill him them. i dont see the point in all this.

I thought as good citizen, you're supposed to question the government when you feel that something is unjust. Protesters are constantly referred to as "Anti-American" or criticized for a lack of patriotism. I think this is inaccurate. They are exercising one of the benefits of being American; they are making themselves heard. That is a form of patriotism. Also, media statisitcs are rather unreliable. I wouldn't depend on them to get an accurate account of the public's opinion on the war. Besides, just because there's a majority on an issue doesn't necessarily mean it's right. To me, blind patriotims is worse than a lack of patriotism. Patriotism can be a menace to society. ( that's an allusion to Emma Goldman's essay).

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Why not grow some balls and support the soliders who are fighting and giving their lives for us.

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I'm not sure if you're aware of female anatomy, Mister Wall, but if I were to grow balls, then there would be something seriously wrong with me. :P

I can't tell you how many times I have had to explain to the people of these boards, and to people off the boards, why I feel the way I do about the war on Iraq. I have tried to keep my cool, to be polite, and then to calmly restate my opinion again and again, making sure to back it up with reason. And yet time and time and time again, I am met with borrowed status quo rhetoric and flaming cuss words from the loudmouthed minority and their uninformed majority followers, with a Bible in one hand and an American flag in the other. Now I'm not talking about those with cooler heads, those pro-war people who are willing to engage in a mature debate between equals. No, I am talking about the hellfire-and-damnation, sturm und drang rightists, who KNOW what they say is true because the Bible said so, and because Bush said so, those who are one goosestep away from calling for the suppression of anyone who does not wholeheartedly support the policies of our government and its Leader, those who in one moment scream, "Remember the lessons of history, you morons!" and then all but yell, "Hail Bush!" in the next.

It seems that there is no use trying to communicate with such people. They are so set in their thinking, their belief that all those who are against the war are supporters of Saddam's regime, that people like this get all their information from what ignorant celebrities tell them, even when the truth is that many of these anti-war protesters know how cruel Saddam Hussein is, and don't give a rat's @$$ about what some high school dropout movie star thinks. Their objectivity is blinded by the shiny glory of ultranationalism and their rabid rage at the world for what happened on September 11th a year and a half ago. Or maybe they have always felt this way, and it is only now, when hysteria and unquestioning obedience have become mainstream, that they can come out of the woodwork.

What can I do about such people? Not much. I guess all I can do is to calmly restate my views over and over and over again like some freakin' broken record, until finally someone listens, or until my fears come true and I am able to say, "I told you so"... or until the budding brown-shirts of the nation (don't try to deny it, you know who you are) are granted their wish and are able to shut me up. Permanently.
Gott mit Amerika.

**** all you tree huggers going on like you hold beliefs about this war. **** all you celebs who will do anything to get in the spotlight even disrespecting your country. Why not grow some balls and support the soliders who are fighting and giving their lives for us. You can't do anything to stop the war, but you keep ramblin on about stuff your ignorant about.

P.S. the war isn't unpopular a large majority in the country supports it.

"They are in constant communication
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who aren't always entirely truthful. Who actually trusts the CIA and FBI anymore? They've screwed up WAY too many times, had WAY too many conspiracies involving them for me to actually trust in them and start a war based on their probably false information.

"So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also
determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions
concerning war and peace?"

They are not making the viable decisions, they do not believe they can determine the coarse of our nation. they are voicing their opinions as it is their right as american citizens.
People forget that. If i was to go out and hold a protest, no one would care. However, if Martin Sheen does, it is totally morally wrong. Why? Martin Sheen is a citizen of this country. I am a citizen of this country. What is the difference? What makes him totally unpatriotic and stupid because he holds a protest? Let them voice their opinions just like everyone else in this country.

"Who's Smarter?"
by Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming
the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and
everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names
like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as
to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is
embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country?
Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic"
leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an
F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the
oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy
industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with
53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became
the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on
November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush
won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American
vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas
counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard
Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win
the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron
and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q.
being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might
want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President **** Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966,
both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political
Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President
Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of
Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our
economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his
official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney
regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the
House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative
goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the
great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of
our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for
the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public
schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he
earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at
CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon
graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a
Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington
University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and
foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian
awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's
Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State
Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished
Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in
his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges
across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the
United States Army)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on
Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59;
U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President,
Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of
Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of
Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director
of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff,
1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class
family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he
served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star
for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree
and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney
in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first
enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was
overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree
in Political Science, *** Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University
of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in
1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at
the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the
University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a
Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (*** Laude). She earned a
Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the
University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of
her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow
of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded
Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of
Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford,
she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms
Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and
a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include
Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The
Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance:
The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written
numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense
policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S.
Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992
and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991,
the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet
Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then
Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National
Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the
Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the
Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the
Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the
Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron
Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora
Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International
Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of
Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New
Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto
and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and
Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has
encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett
Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International
Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East
European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public
broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham,
Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that
if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders,
we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and
acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and
acting

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career:
Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career:
Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal.
Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in
Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career:
Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up
comedienne

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we
should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed
daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security.
They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the
Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and
terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication
with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own
military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply
believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch
CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our
leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our
country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican.


By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest
Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United
States of America.



The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a
pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the
Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get
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