yeah i believe in it. alot of of the time before something happens i already know its going to happen. i thik i'm a little clairvoyant but i'm not completely sure. God tells me these things and i'm glad.

Hey everyone. I just want to say that I am in no way trying to attack anyone. I just saw that this was a pretty heated topic, so I did some research, and here is the view of Spiritual Gifts from the Bible.

1. The gift of wisdom
2. The gift of knowledge
3. The gift of faith
4. The gift of healing
5. The gift to work miracles
6. The gift of prophesy
7. The gift of dishernment/being able to feel an unseen being can also be in this catagory
8. The gift of speaking in tongues
9. The gift of interpreting tongues

All of these gifts come from the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit works through people, which is why some people (like Joey for instance) have visions, or other spiritual gifts. According to scripture, everyone posseses at least one spiritual gift.
Now these were taken straight from the Bible, so I didn't make any of this up. If you don't believe me look it up for yourself! These Spiritual Gifts can be found in 1st Corinthians Chapter 12 verses 8-10.
God Bless.

[This message was edited by Liv4God on June 18, 2004 at 03:07 PM.]

There has to be such a thing as spiritual gifts. For me, this is evident in my life because I used to HATE public speaking and I used to HATE writing, but as I've grown in my faith I've gotten so much better at writing and public speaking, which are huge for me because of all that I do with my church and because I plan to go into youth ministry. God gives all of us gifts and we can choose to use them for Him or for ourselves.

Noooooooooooooooo way, that stuff isnt predicting crap, or for that matter half of a crap.

I mean those arent predictions they are just every day type crap that is bound to happen.

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"Yes, I talk to God and He talks to me" is automatically considered insane, or "mentally handicapped."

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It's because these people hear from God what they only want to hear and what they hear from God about the world is almost never consistent with what other people hear.

no matter what anyone else says i get 'visions' or whatever you want to call them
and i'm a Christian and a true believer in 1 higher and divine being
if HE gives me these gifts there has to be a reason, which I haven't figured out yet
all I do know is there's more to it that I can understand now, but maybe i'm not supposed to
it will all work out in time-in the right time
and i'm keeping an open mind until then

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yeah and i have visions too. no sarcasm there. but the idiots call it fortune-telling. but if you're christian, it's all "Oh my god! The Lord is in him! He's having prophecies!"

SO why dont we all agree that all of us have visions or whatever but we call them different names.

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Satan gives visions, too. And he attacks Christians all the time, especially new ones, or Christians who are learning and growing in the faith.

You have to test the spirits first to see if they are of God.

This is by far the most persecuted subject I believe Christians must counter. The media and society have so warped everyone that any person who says, "Yes, I talk to God and He talks to me" is automatically considered insane, or "mentally handicapped."

doesn't everyone get visions? i kinda feel that way. we've all had visions before...i'm certain. i get lik bits and pieces of whats gonna happen and then it happens. its kinda crazy but i dont think God is against this all. prophecy is a gift...just that we may not be great at it..i dont know really but spiritual gifts are an interesting topic. ^^

yeah and i have visions too. no sarcasm there. but the idiots call it fortune-telling. but if you're christian, it's all "Oh my god! The Lord is in him! He's having prophecies!"

SO why dont we all agree that all of us have visions or whatever but we call them different names.

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arent you Christian? You're not supposed to have visions if you're Christian.

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That is by far the dumbest thing I have ever read... ever. There are A LOT of christians who have lots of visions, whether they involve God or something else.

My painting teacher told me about the time when he was praying with a preacher and he went to sleep and he heard the voice of God and God told him to teach his people and showed him 7 little spheres of light that burst and revealed God's goals for him. If that's not a vision I don't know what is.

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the only difference we can have between each other's visions is that I do everything I can to make them clearer. I own divination stuff and he doesnt.

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How would you know? You can use alot of different things to accomplish divinations in order to have visions of the future.

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aeluromancy (dropping wheatcakes in water and interpreting the result)

aeromancy (divination by examining what the air does to certain things)

alphitomancy (dropping barleycakes in water and interpreting the result)

anthropomancy (divination by interpreting the organs of newly sacrificed humans)

astragalomancy or astragyromancy (using knucklebones marked with letters of the alphabet)

cromniomancy (divination by onions)

dactylomancy (divination by means of rings put on the fingernails or the number of whorls and loops on the fingers)

gyromancy (divination by walking around a circle of letters until dizzy and one falls down on the letters or in the direction to take)

lampadomancy (interpreting the movements of the flame of a lamp)

omphalomancy (interpretation of the belly button)

tasseography (reading tea leaves)

tiromancy (interpreting the holes or mold in cheese)

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I'm sure Joey has some cheese laying around.

whatever let's all agree on something (bad energy is near)

a lot of people from many religions have visions. Some call it "prophecies" others call it "kundalini", etc.

last time I told my ex I had visions he said I was going to hell (he was protestant, for all who are curious to know). I told him i had a vision about a past life.

visions are forms of divinations, and divinations are ~~~~~. prophecies are a tad different, but still, if i try to predict something (being a New Ager) I'm lying (or so the ignorant folk say), yet if Joey (who seems to live by the Bible's words) over here says he has visions, its right?

the only difference we can have between each other's visions is that I do everything I can to make them clearer. I own divination stuff and he doesnt.

Also, a lot of Christians dont believe in the Third Eye, which is said to be responsible for visions.

Móran Táing

People in the bible had visions.
Why is it exactly, that Christians aren't supposed to have visions???

arent you Christian? You're not supposed to have visions if you're Christian.

Visions and prophecies are ~~~~~.

Have you gotten a tarot deck yet?

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When I was 6, I told my mom that my uncle was going to be in an accident, and 2 days later he was in a motorcycle wreck.

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I think things like this are just coincidence. Like, if you wish someone was dead, and then all of a sudden they die, it's not your fault.
And as for Joey's "phrophecies"..There isn't even coincidence there. just:

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lay off the drugs. WWJD, Dauben?

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yes, that sums it up nicely Kharybdis.

When I was 6, I told my mom that my uncle was going to be in an accident, and 2 days later he was in a motorcycle wreck.

And last year when my friend was living in Neveda we had the same dream on the same night.

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Saturday, Oct. 5, 2002 - "Something bad is going to happen [tomorrow]."

Event: Killing of Ferris police officer

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Wow, you predicted that an unspecified event will happen to an unspecified person on an unspecified date. That's truly quite a feat.

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Saturday, Oct. 19, 2002 - "An event will take place in London."

Event: British government banned and confiscated guns

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Considering that everything that happened in London in that day could also be considered an "event", I'm not terribly impressed.

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Week of April 12, 2004 - Visions of airplane; seats & passengers; turbulance; the word "Chicago" repeatedly. Note: I have also seen visions of the Sears Tower, but am unaware of what specific purpose that was for.

Event: Read Dallas Morning News on April 12, page 13A (National), right-hand side. Headline: Four flight attedants are hurt - sub headline: Turbulence forces American jet to land; passengers uninjured

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Ah, right... since planes have never in the history of flight experienced turbulence before you recieved this "vision from god".

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On occasion - Visions and dreams of airplanes crashing (post-9/11); stores being robbed (gunmen); pyramids turning upside down with Satanic/Illuminati-related symbols pouring out.

Event: N/A

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This is all fairly mundane, but really, lay off the drugs. WWJD, Dauben?

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On occasion - Me traveling and interviewing the man who was revealed to be the Antichrist (pre-broken peace agreement)

Event: N/A

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Hey, that reminds me... a few nights ago I had a dream where I was unanimously declared King of Everything and they renamed the world in my honor. Keep your eyes peeled; it'll happen any day now.

In all seriousness... Dauben, your "visions" are about as credible as the average tabloid horoscope.

uh.. to be able 2 c ghost is a gift aint it?

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Does anyone else receive visions and other gifts of prophesy?

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Schizophrenia. Hallucinations. Delusions of grandeur. Do these things mean anything to you, Joey? Eh. Nevermind. They're probably all lies made up by godless pinko commies to explain away religion.