I just wanted to say that I agree with madsaddam; people should be aware of the people who have been there before or who have read a LOT more than what the high school people have read.


Every article I read about the U.S. soldiers overseas is that the anti-war protests are full of anti-U.S. troops people.

For one, I thank Jesus Christ for our men and women who fight for us.

Second, I will always stand behind our troops - no matter what "police action" they're being sent off to.

Third, in response to the Saddam/bin Laden "wackjob" quip - that is true, don't disagree one bit.

But if it weren't for our government funding, training and giving those two killers the weapons, we wouldn't be in this position we're in now.

Bush I and Clinton both paid Iraqi POWs to come resettle in the United States after the Gulf War - this is documented fact, yet it hardly gets reported any more.

As a newspaper reporter, I read a TON of newspaper articles/website articles/documents and one pattern sticks out every single time - doesn't matter how "biased" the content is: our government has had direct involvement in every single conflict or disaster - overseas or domestic (OKC in 95, Waco in 93, Sept. 11).

Bush just shipped off $5 billion to North Korea for them to build nuclear reactors; also sent millions more in humanitarian aid - which will go straight to the armies.

You can never win in this country. Our enemies are on the outside thanks to the ones we have on the inside.

That right there sucks.

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Which is why I don't really think we'll ever see peace in the middle east.

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Israel and the Antichrist will sign a peace contract for seven years - after 3 1/2 years, that pact will be broken and all hell will break lose.

Don't worry, Israel will see "peace" in this world - but it won't be very peaceful.


When this thing in Iraq all unfolds ...it will be very interesting to see what all happens.

It's about to get heavily Biblical.

Look, I'm sorry I got angry. I think I've just been in kind of a bad mood for the past few days.

Still, I'm genuinely curious about why "If you look at Iraq and US and you are thinking, Iraq and the people of Iraq are victims of the U.S., then your brain is already F'd." I really, honestly do want to know why you think that. And I mean actual, factual reasons (maybe something you've read can help.)

I didn't intend to attack you on a personal level. Frankly, I don't care what you daughter's friends think of you. I find it very interesting that you even mentioned what you sent your "kid" off with when they went back to college. I mean, that's kinda weird...but I still don't care.

You misunderstood -- I didn't mean to call you a hippie. I was calling myself one, as I realized that I must be coming across as someone who doesn't really know anything, but complains about everything anyway. No, I called you paranoid and patriotic -- not to say that you necessarilly are, just that that's the way you've come across.

And lastly, I don't "prejudge" government officials who I don't know. Just like you, I don't really give a hoot about their personal lives or qualities. I'm only judging (definitely not "pre") the job they're doing as my representatives. I think they're doing an awful job, and I think it's my (and ever other citizen's) duty to call them on it.


Peace, Jenny

fw, Jenny . . .
Go back and re-read my post. I think you have it backwards.

Anyway, I don't usually answer personal attacks, but I will make an exception for you since you have been on this board for so long and have made so many posts.

Maybe we should have a board election, and make you board manager.

Anyway, no one ever refers to me as a "hippie" not that I have anything against people who were or who might want to be a "hippie." You see, I am obviously much more tolerant than you.

No, the only words people have ever used to describe me are: kind, considerate, smart, well-read; those who really are my friends and know me the best say "genius." Well maybe someone at some point in time might have referred to me as being "hip" and "with it," but never a "hippie."

When I took my daughter and her friends to see "Frida" and "Hours," that even sent them over the top. I am probably the most-loved friend's parent in my daughter's whole college and by some kids who attend other colleges too.

During the last storm in New England when my kid went back one day late due to the college being shut down on Monday, I sent:
steak tips, salad, cheese, yogurt, stoneground whole wheat bread, butter, juice, hot chocolate mix, popcorn, and apple pie. Just gotta have P-I-E.

My daughter called me and they all chimed in over the phone "Thank you Mr. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ."

Jenny, I'm glad that you care so much. Never lose your ability to care. Just give some credit to people who are knowledgeable, have been there before, and have some insight. Also, don't be so quick to prejudge people that you don't know, and that includes people in your government.

I voted for George Bush and I am glad that I did. He's our president for better or worse and I'm hopeful that our future will be far for the better than it has been in the past two years. Did you look at those references I posted that were under winwithoutwarus.org? They were listed under "NAACP" polls. And no I'm not a member of the NAACP, and no I'm not black (or at least not totally or even minorly as far as I know but who knows what my ancesters might have done?). Anyway, I just read a lot.

So what am I suggesting? Read a little more and write (or paste/copy) a little less.

Love & Peace
madsaddam - I use that name just so that you'll know every time I post that what you don't kow and a lot of people do know -- Saddam Hussein is "mad." Usama bin Laden is evil and a wackjob. He's a smart wackjob, but he's still a wackjob.

(I know this won't interest a lot of you, so you can ignore it)

Joey-- Did you know that as far back as "genesis" the turmoil in the mideast was prophesied? Sarai told Abram to have sex with her maidservant, Hagar, in order to have a child...she conceived and Sarai got jealous and made Hagar run away. But then an angel of the Lord told Hagar "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

Anyway...Ismael's and Esau's descendants, the Arabs, ended up populating part of the middle east area, which is to this day fighting with the other descendants of Abraham, the Jews, in Israel. Which is why I don't really think we'll ever see peace in the middle east.

Yeah...you probably already knew that, it seems like you've researched it all a lot more than me, but hey, maybe somebody else found it interesting.

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If you look at Iraq and US and you are thinking, Iraq and the people of Iraq are victims of the U.S., then your brain is already F'd.

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What the hell are you talking about? Give me solid examples (not just paranoid patriotic banter) about Iraq victimizing the US (I assume that's what you believe). When you do that, I'll meet you with solid examples (not just hippie protestor banter) about US victimizing Iraq, okay? I've gotta get some numbers straight...


Peace, Jenny

It's a honest, hard fact for you people to understand, but the reason there are so many problems in the world is because the United States has butted our taxpayer-funded machinery and weapons into them.

And besides, if anyone even as much as picked up a Bible, you'd know that these things must come to pass.

When the nuke is detonated, you can rest assured that the globe will be involved in World War III.

If you look at Iraq and US and you are thinking, Iraq and the people of Iraq are victims of the U.S., then your brain is already F'd.

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Wouldn't it be great if someone from Iraq started a thread called "From the Victims View"?

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lol I've just done a people search and there's no one from Iraq here.Guess they are not allow being online
Hell yeah I'm a bit tired now as well...I've been repeating the same stuff,how annoying I am.too many topics alike...

Wouldn't it be great if someone from Iraq started a thread called "From the Victims View"? Wouldn't that be a fresh new perspective? Frankly, I'm tired of hearing all the same stuff over and over and over again...self righteous soldiers and self righteous protestors spouting endless streams of rhetoric and slogans. I'm so fed up with how ignorant we're being. Why don't we start actually researching the issue? Ya know, maybe even crack open a whole book on the history of US/Iraq relations... I know why I don't, I'm just being a lazy ****. But damn, at least I'm admitting it.


Peace, Jenny

P.S. Yes, I am in a ****ty mood.

Sounds right be is it that simple...I'm still thinking too much.
I don't know what the result will turn out like.If UN makes the decision says no,will the US still agree?...It's not the first time Bush makes a decision against the world,this time it's especially serious.
Simply if the US go to Iraq and catch Saddam and kill him,it's all good.This war is to stop Saddam,but in the procress it'll cause more problems,it can be much worse...
A war is not a hunt,it's involved with the civilians,enviroment,and this time,oil...If the motivation you went to Afghan was to catch Osama(spelling?),you didn't.It told us,no matter how much we hope you can get Saddam and punish him,you still may not be able to catch him,God knows how evil and foxy he is.But people will die,the rest of them escape from Iraq and bring new problem to other countries.And the US will spend much money on this,this world has so many problems which needs money to solve and you waste it all on wars...Besides the Afgan thing isn't done yet.
Since the mess has started,I don't mean you should let Saddam be,I just think the UN should punish Saddam instead of a single country.

Good luck by the way,I hope all of you will be fine...You are still young,it's a long way to go,when you are on the battlefield,please respect your life and the innocent people's lives...

Actually the reason we haven't attacked Iraq yet is because the UN has asked us to hold off, so we agreed. AS for other means, Saddam has had 12 years to rethink his behavior and he hasn't, so we have to pnish him. He broke the UN Treaty months after we left, so after 12 long years of diplomatic hoo-haw we are finally going back to stop him.

LostLegion

For what you are fighting for I think you are the pride of your country

As a foreigner to you I see things in different ways.
We can't change each other,the more I try to say war is wrong the more I feel jow weak I am...Nobody is changing anything,the war is gonna happen.One day we'll regret.

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we don't need the world government making our decisions for us.

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I guess many Americans think so,like "what the hell does UN think he is?It's just some united nations.USA the greatest."
Emotionally I understand,I hate other countries intervene our own stuff as well.Unfortuanlly the US likes to make decision for us for some reason.It's not the point,I'll get over it here.

But as a country in this world,we don't have implicit freedom because it'll make some changes in the world.The UN is stopping you with right motivations,they know what it can be done to the overall situation.It'll cause a lot of trouble much worse than right now.
If a country can do whatever he wants whatever he thinks is right,why does the UN exist?

Well, I'm not one of those Hollywood liberal/socialist types, because I actually support our troops.

And love my country.


Sir, may God Bless you and all of our troops. Regardless of the collateral damage, you are still a hero in my book.

I just hate this United Nations pandering - the United States is still the USA - we don't need the world government making our decisions for us.


Thank you very much, sir, for fighting for this great country.