i heard on a radio news debaters station that bush has only been wanting to ban gay marriage for one "sacred" reason:

So Americans (and hopefuly the rest of the world) will forget about Iraq the Screw-Up.

He's grappling with a sensitive issue. Some people thinking being gay (and a gay couple marrying) is just plain flat-out wrong. Then we hvae the free-thinkers, who think it's OK. Then, of course, the gays and lesbians, who with obvious and respecful reasons, want gay marriage to be legal.

So it's a matter is there are enough free-thinkers and gays and lesbians in U.S. to allow gay marriage (one man can't change a law, especially if there's democracy in the country), or if there are too many traditionals who will gladly support the banning of such.

Yet he believes (in the radio station's opinion) that he himself, can rise his popularity before the elections. He has had enough intelligence (again in the radio station's opinion) to realize that people now know that there are no "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq (perhaps they are in Mars). OK, capturing Saddam was great (the guy is plain evil) but that's the only achievement. And no American soldier caught Saddam, it was an Iraqui doctor. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but I like honest evidence, not some predictions.

Honestly (without offending anyone, the thing I need a least is to create a battle board again) I believe that he will loose the election, no matter how many weddings he bans. But we never know.

What's your thought on this? (I won't answer stupid insults, so if you're against what the radio station thinks, please provide facts why).

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Mòran Taing

Why do people never take Bush's actual views into account? Did it ever even occur to you that maybe, he HIMSELF is against gay marriage, and it is not a political ploy? Please, explain to me why you left that out of your list of motives.
By the way, there aren't enough 'free-thinkers'...64% of America is against the government acknowledging gay marriage (ABC News poll, as of February 15, 2004).
Oh my gosh, did you actually say in earnest that capturing Saddam was the only achievement? What about all the people he would have tortured and killed if his regime remained in power? You know, let's even put the brutality and murders aside for a minute...what about all the schools and hospitals along with all the other beneficial insitutions the coalition is building? What about the chance for millions of people to live in a democratic society instead of a brutal dictatorship?

moral decline started a LONG time ago. dont blame it on the gays. moral decline (in sexual terms) started in the U.S in the 1920's when the "Sexual Revolution" began. In criminal terms, it's always been there, especially since the invention of the gun. and moral decline itself, as in family/domestic terms, has been destroyed thanks to drugs, preassure to have sex, infidelity, alcohol, porn, etc. the largest moral decline (in my own opinioin) is the sexual one. suddenly, heterosexuals girls are fake bisexuals (which in the eyes of men is "hot" or "sexy"), vibrators are common, the more sex you have the more worth as a human you have, porn being unleashed on the internet, teens having sex like there's no tomorrow, etc. geez, and your blaming gay/lesbian relations? at least they have something the world is missing, LOVE. isnt that what religion is mainly about? When I was in a christian school, i was told that god said, "Amaos unos a otros como yo los he amado." which means (though i dont know the exact way americans put it), "Love each other like I have loved them." And nowhere in the Ten Commandments, it says, "Shall you never be with a same-sex partner." And frankly I dont believe anyone who tells me that the Bible says its wrong because the Bible has been changed by almost all churches. i agree that it has good teachings most of the time though, changed or not.

paintbucket, dearest, i thought you and i were "cool". honestly, if you dont like my opinions, fine, but dont trash my boards. i have the same right to express my opinion as you do (no, the U.S. isnt the only country who has that option). why would you fight with someone youll never change? im a free-thinker, so (offensive as i may sound at the moment), dont bother with my opnions because i dont think the same as 95% of people. but my best wishes to you.

I'm too tired to be clever. Paintbucket, shut the **** up.

If you wanna be gay move to France? Talk about a stupid, ignorant comment. I dont know why some people have some sort of subliminal silent war with France. They're good people. They have a long, interesting history, their language is beautiful, and at least they wont bomb a country because of invisible weapons of mass destruction. And if bush wanted to bomb the country responsible for 9/11, he would have it Saudi Arabia because thats where Osama is from, not Afaghanistan. But he doesnt do that because there are a LOT of rich people in Saudi Arabia who have enough cash to make some darn good bombs. Poor Afghans are dying of hunger, so it's easier to destroy their country. Same case with Iraq, but I agree Saddam should be killed.

When the Bible was written (you know, the true one, because some churches shrink its contents and stuff), you could not choose who would you mary, less your sexuality. If you were a girl, you got your period and your parents married you to whoever they wanted, or simply whoever they thought was convenient. A man had more freedom choosing who they wanted, but it wasnt like "I'm a prince and I want to marry a poor girl beacuse I love her/I'm gonna marry a girl from another belief because I love here." People mostly married out of convinience, or list, rarely love. So if you did something people didint like, well you've screwed up in a huge way. And since people in those days were closed minded (most of them) and somewhat ignorant, they surely would have thought being gay was being the Devil. And most people those days were closed-minded; they only knew what they had been taught by their parents and by society, and any other thought was wrong.

Personally i dont think gay marriage is wrong. I think it's ok as long as theyre not acting like some gays do in the Gay Parade (as in throwing condoms around and dressing like wonder woman). I think that if you love someone (even if they are your same gender) marrying is good. Anyways, have you seen Divorce Court or similar shows? It's sad when a gay man married a woman (and had kids) just to prove he was straight, and then the woman finds out, and she's hurting, and the kids don't understand if they're really young. And when parents don't accept a gay child, it's like not accepting someone because they're black and you're white or vice-versa. Being gay doesn't make anyone evil to society. I know a lot of gay people who are smart (think doctors and college proffessors), happy with their spouses, and have children who are ok with it. It's better than some "normal, straight" family with fighting parents and pregant daughters, a nerd son, and another son who only cares of how much he drinks or how many girls he's screwed (though that may happen in gay families too). And we need to move on to the 21st century.

And you accept Britney the bimbo, really racy videos, teenage pregnancy, teens who only have sex for a living, etc? And you cant accept gay marriage? Omg is you do answer yes to thse questions you need to read the papers more and some Newsweek (last week there was a great article on why marriage is failing, and its not because of gays), or some Time magazine instead of CosmGirl or the Enquirer or crap like that. It's better for your brain. And books are good brain food too. TV is what a college proffessor I know called, "The Dumber Box".

Dont think I'm some stupid idiot girl. I'm an excellent student in every school I've been (and A+ only, not a B in sight), and I'm a very good novelist. And I read a lot, thus my brain is never in shut-down mode. Here's the best part, I'm also pretty damn hot. Well all I know is I'm gonna change this world for the better.

so you would ask someone to give up their life here, find a new job, learn a new language, adapt to a new culture, do the paperwork, find and sell housing, etc etc... just so they can be gay?

you flung that comment about as if it were some trivial thing to do. if it is so simply overcome, then why not allow gays their rights in the first place. that sounds like far less work for us all.

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If you really want to be gay, move to France.

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Blind adherence to conservative doctrine and unthinking nationalism in the same sentence... well done.

If you really want to be gay, move to France. Damn. It just shows our moral decline, this gay marriage bull****.

Clearly I feel Bush is getting away from the serious topic on the War in Iraq and trying to focus attention on a less than important issue of National News= "gay marriage"...I feel that he's pushing this issue so hard because he knows himself that there were no WMD's in Iraq the first place, sure Saddam was a threat, and I'm glad he's out of power, but you too have to ask the question: "Was Iraq better off before the U.S. invaded?"...(State your opinion if you would like,=maybe this will be a later topic to post opinions on?...But I feel the matter of marriage should be left up to the State legislatures to decide what will be recognized as a "legal" marriage...But to George Bush, "Focus on what's trully important, a War on Terror with no end for those who are fighting your War, not a global fight on Terrorism"...Justify to us your reasons for leaving Afghanistan to remove Saddam, when you haven't even caught Osama!?

oh didint know it was repeated.

it just struck me when i heard it on the radio.

thanks tho

this already has a board or two. prepaidlunch posted more outstanding "reasons" on one of them. you're right tho... same thing as with the mars and moon exploration. even i can admit that... and i'm an astronomer in the making who has been waiting eagerly for space program funding for years. this is all too obvious... newho... other board