Everyone is always talking about morals and how things are immoral, and it's gotten me thinking:

Exactly whose morals are we living by, and by whose morals do the laws in America get made?

The morals of whoever is more powerful is what make the laws of America. Normally, I fully believe that the people are the most powerful, thanks to our buddy the Constitution. But lately minorities who are loud and shrill have been...not making, but shaping our laws, through the judiciary, and taking away the power of Congress. Roe v. Wade? Sorry, where in the Constitution does it ever mention abortion? That's right, nowhere. So then it goes to the states due to the 10th Amendment. The judiciary keeps infusing their liberal morals into their decisions, and the people's power is being slowly eroded...remember, the Supreme Court is not elected by the people.

I think that talking about violence in religion isn't really necessary because violence is in just about all controversial issues. Anytime people don't agree, there's going to be a certain extent of violence, although not always the killing kind.

oh, you didint sound like yourself for a sec.... weird

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are you OK?

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ya.

are you OK?

i know you didnt say that i was just commenting and trying to explain that most Muslims arent bad. its just the radical extreme.

"there are many peaceful Muslims that hate the terrorists."

Yes that is what I was trying to say, I posted the quote above my post b/c I disagreed w/ it and then typed to explain why, I'm sorry if it came out wrong.

Then you posted this, "Originally posted by Collicue: "The main idea of Islam is "spread the word by the sword", and it seems as though you think that I wrote that quote when I didn't which you can see if you look at the posts underneath mine. That's why I typed Malibu Barbie in the subject line b/c the quote was hers and I was disagreeing w/ her.

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Originally posted by Collicue:
"The main idea of Islam is "spread the word by the sword" "

From what I have read, it is not, just b/c your teacher said it doesn't make it factual. If you are refering to the jihad then that is all in opinion. Some muslims believe that they should use violence but many of those haven't even read the Koran. While others believe a jihad is a journey to reach a higher state of faith and understanding. Jihad came from the Europeans, (christians at the time) who went on the crusades AGAINST the muslims to rid spain of them.

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there are many peaceful Muslims that hate the terrorists.

"The main idea of Islam is "spread the word by the sword" "

From what I have read, it is not, just b/c your teacher said it doesn't make it factual. If you are refering to the jihad then that is all in opinion. Some muslims believe that they should use violence but many of those haven't even read the Koran. While others believe a jihad is a journey to reach a higher state of faith and understanding. Jihad came from the Europeans, (christians at the time) who went on the crusades AGAINST the muslims to rid spain of them.

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In a sense, I agree with you but the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition were punishments for wrong doings, not the killing of thousands for no real reason.

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You completely missed the point of my post. What I was trying to convey was that every religion is violent. The Inquistion and SWT were examples of that violence. And if you think that they were punishments, then we disagree.

extremists of ALL religions are evil

oh i dont beieve Islam itself is evil but there are many extremeists that give a damning impression about the religion.

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The Salem Witch Trials, and the Inquisition

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In a sense, I agree with you but the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition were punishments for wrong doings, not the killing of thousands for no real reason. But, The Inquistion and the Trials did kill some people who were purely innocent. But they did not believe that those were innocent and therefore did what they felt needed to be done as punishment.

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Not EVIL but violent.

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Many religions are violent, not just Islam. The Salem Witch Trials, and the Inquisition definitely weren't led by people motivated by Islam. Look at how many wars are fought over and about religion.

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theyre not different. islam is not an evil religion. no religion is evil

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Not EVIL but violent. The main idea of Islam is "spread the word by the sword"
-Dick Tulsey(Global Studies teacher)
Islam is a religion based on violence and blood shed of people who do not accept them and their religion. So no not evil, but yes, violent.

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"Maybe America hates Christians b/c it seems that our Christian president is trying to impose his morals on us. I don't hate Christians, I have plenty of Christian friends, 1 whom is very devote to his religion, but he also is very respectful and that respect is also towards other religions and the rights of others (even though he isn't in favor of gay marriage he still has gay friends). It seems some Christians have forgotten that yes, this country was founded on the ten commandments by our forefathers but they also knew that they were unaware of many things to come and therefore allowed ammendments."

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exactly. if bush wasnt shoving his christian morals, no one would have a problem with them.

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"Do you think that they were aware of many other religions and what they consisted of, and say one did follow judaism or islam or hinduism, if everyone else found out, it is my belief that it would have resulted in an early salem witch hunt. They had enough faith in us to know that we would care about our country enough to change things for the better and we have. How are these Christians who are hanging on to the bible's every word any different from the islamic extremists?"

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theyre not different. islam is not an evil religion. no religion is evil

"Maybe America hates Christians b/c it seems that our Christian president is trying to impose his morals on us. I don't hate Christians, I have plenty of Christian friends, 1 whom is very devote to his religion, but he also is very respectful and that respect is also towards other religions and the rights of others (even though he isn't in favor of gay marriage he still has gay friends). It seems some Christians have forgotten that yes, this country was founded on the ten commandments by our forefathers but they also knew that they were unaware of many things to come and therefore allowed ammendments."

this has gone on much longer than bush.

"Do you think that they were aware of many other religions and what they consisted of, and say one did follow judaism or islam or hinduism, if everyone else found out, it is my belief that it would have resulted in an early salem witch hunt. They had enough faith in us to know that we would care about our country enough to change things for the better and we have. How are these Christians who are hanging on to the bible's every word any different from the islamic extremists?"

maybe its because we dont chop people's heads off one and before you say that thats what the Bible says you should try to find out what it REALLY says about homosexuality.


"is it b/c half of them haven't even read the koran, maybe, but the bible was translated out of the original language, into greek, then polish, french, spanish, and then english. No that's not the correct order but still, don't you see that things get misconstrued. If you try to translate languages you will see how hard it is and how some things in one language can't be translated so they have to say something else that really wasn't what was said."

i dont know what any of this has to do with the argument at hand. teh Founding Fathers wanted this to be a country based on Christianty. (although i believe jefferson was an atheist) they did not want the country to stray away from the Bible. but as far as im concerned right now that when it comes to gay marriage the country hasnt. but thats just one issue and that one issue doesnt outweigh all the mmorality that is going out there and all the rest of the crime that is happening.


"everything has to be policially correct. those two worsds are some of the owrds i hate the most. everything has to be said in this way or its not right. like no one can say anything bad about the majority of black youth without being labeled as a racist. eveen if its trrue that theyre youth is going to hell. you cant deny ttaht it just is."

I agree that PC is stupid, we are so afraid of saying what we think that we are crippling our minds. We have all made ignorant comments, but hopefully we are lucky enough to have them corrected, or we ourselves are bright enough to go specifically look for a few well supported opposing views to give us another side of the story.
Maybe though instead of bashing the black youth, we should ask ourselves why many of them might be "bad" if even they are. Maybe it's b/c many of them live in poor parts of town and b/c schools are county funded, get bad education and then even if they can, they can't afford to go to college and some haven't even held a crayon. The gov. reported that 96% of scholarships go to white students. You can say that that is b/c they deserve it but couldn't it be b/c many blacks have no need to hope then or b/c colleges think their schooling was to easy which isn't their fault if it has little funding. I'm wondering how you have gotten this pre-conceived perception of the "evil black youth." is it from personal experience, and if so then is it possible that maybe it's just the blacks around you? or maybe you have such a negative attitude of them that they are to angry to talk to you b/c when you insult their race you insult them. And even if the blacks around you are "bad," can't you see that from all of our defenses that maybe you are wrong.


"and you cant call terrorists evil because its not right. they did the same thing when reagen was n office. "my God he called communists evil! how could he. damn reagen damn him." "

Terrorists are not evil in my eyes, they have evil actions, but I was also taught that people are not mean, they just have mean actions. And about communism. Did you know that Australia has a communist party, it's small but still allowed. People can be communist just like they are socialist and capitalist, they are all fine and should be respected b/c they are non-harmful opinions. It was the Truman doctorine that said we should "get rid of communism at ALL costs." Don't you think though that by doing it at all costs we fail to realize that we might be a little wrong, by doing that we are going on a crusade, a blind one. We complain about the Arabs killing the sudanese but maybe they are just trying to rid (equalling, killing) all of the infidels at all costs, just like we said we should do to communism. There is a cuban saying, "there are 30 million children sleeping on the streets, many are in the US but none are in cuba." Now, I don't agree w/ communism but that's another view. And about your religion, " I deem us all as atheists. I just happen to believe in one less god than you. Once you understand why you dismiss all of the other gods, you will then understand why I dismiss yours." Now I'm not atheist but I do think that is a wonderful quote and i don't have a problem w/ atheism. OK well bye, and thank you for reading
-Danielle[/QUOTE]

"RED(NECK) Republican"

what the hell? you think that every person who says the triuth is a red neck?

"You are racist, and ignorant..."


listen to bill cosby? since ill be labeled as racist because i know what im talking about maybe you should listen to what he was talking about.



"i don't know where u get your facts...they must be comin out of you a*s because i've never read something as sh*t*y as that. "

this is ignorant right here i just dont make things out of my ***. idiot. its been observed as the truth its justthat everyone is just too afraid to be labeled as a racist to tell the truth. in fact in my experience it is blacks that are racist. i know of several black politicians and blcks in the public eye that use the race cards against white. i dont hate anyone. for God's sake why do any of you refuse to see the truth.

"You full of it...should i generalize the white race...saying their all ignorant red neck racist who like to make bombs and shoot up schools."

in fact when my generalization is correect and yours is wrong. the white youth are the little idiots that think it cool to follow what everyone lse does. i think blacks are born athleltes i think many of them are smart name a few? well as i mentioned theres cosby and then theres the two in bush's cabinent.

"Because a couple of misguided indivduals made some bombs or shot up schools. (Cough)(Colombine) I'm sure u would be the 1st one to raise the racism flag on that statement."

no i would havwe said somthing because that genralization is wrong. why the hell do all of you you people think i am glorifying the white youth? i sure as hell am not. you just label me as racist without even hearing what i have to say.

"So before u decide to judge anyone saying that most of black youth is going to hell...maybe u should read your bible oh "true christine" (that u call yourself), then u would realize that u have no right to say that",

here is a clasic liberal take. "oh you have no right to say that! your evil! thats not politically correct! damn you damn you damn you" it is the truth and you are ignorant not to see it.

" and you should know that GOD is the ONLY one that can tell someone their going to hell."


if i said they are going to hell can you please point that out?

"And realize that while your pointing fingers at everyone else...there are 3 more pointing back at cha. "

un ok?

"why do you think America hates Christians? its because the liberals have seeded it int their heads. they want to take out the pledge of allegiance adn the ten commandmnets."

Maybe America hates Christians b/c it seems that our Christian president is trying to impose his morals on us. I don't hate Christians, I have plenty of Christian friends, 1 whom is very devote to his religion, but he also is very respectful and that respect is also towards other religions and the rights of others (even though he isn't in favor of gay marriage he still has gay friends). It seems some Christians have forgotten that yes, this country was founded on the ten commandments by our forefathers but they also knew that they were unaware of many things to come and therefore allowed ammendments. Do you think that they were aware of many other religions and what they consisted of, and say one did follow judaism or islam or hinduism, if everyone else found out, it is my belief that it would have resulted in an early salem witch hunt. They had enough faith in us to know that we would care about our country enough to change things for the better and we have. How are these Christians who are hanging on to the bible's every word any different from the islamic extremists? is it b/c half of them haven't even read the koran, maybe, but the bible was translated out of the original language, into greek, then polish, french, spanish, and then english. No that's not the correct order but still, don't you see that things get misconstrued. If you try to translate languages you will see how hard it is and how some things in one language can't be translated so they have to say something else that really wasn't what was said.


"everything has to be policially correct. those two worsds are some of the owrds i hate the most. everything has to be said in this way or its not right. like no one can say anything bad about the majority of black youth without being labeled as a racist. eveen if its trrue that theyre youth is going to hell. you cant deny ttaht it just is."

I agree that PC is stupid, we are so afraid of saying what we think that we are crippling our minds. We have all made ignorant comments, but hopefully we are lucky enough to have them corrected, or we ourselves are bright enough to go specifically look for a few well supported opposing views to give us another side of the story.
Maybe though instead of bashing the black youth, we should ask ourselves why many of them might be "bad" if even they are. Maybe it's b/c many of them live in poor parts of town and b/c schools are county funded, get bad education and then even if they can, they can't afford to go to college and some haven't even held a crayon. The gov. reported that 96% of scholarships go to white students. You can say that that is b/c they deserve it but couldn't it be b/c many blacks have no need to hope then or b/c colleges think their schooling was to easy which isn't their fault if it has little funding. I'm wondering how you have gotten this pre-conceived perception of the "evil black youth." is it from personal experience, and if so then is it possible that maybe it's just the blacks around you? or maybe you have such a negative attitude of them that they are to angry to talk to you b/c when you insult their race you insult them. And even if the blacks around you are "bad," can't you see that from all of our defenses that maybe you are wrong.


"and you cant call terrorists evil because its not right. they did the same thing when reagen was n office. "my God he called communists evil! how could he. damn reagen damn him." "

Terrorists are not evil in my eyes, they have evil actions, but I was also taught that people are not mean, they just have mean actions. And about communism. Did you know that Australia has a communist party, it's small but still allowed. People can be communist just like they are socialist and capitalist, they are all fine and should be respected b/c they are non-harmful opinions. It was the Truman doctorine that said we should "get rid of communism at ALL costs." Don't you think though that by doing it at all costs we fail to realize that we might be a little wrong, by doing that we are going on a crusade, a blind one. We complain about the Arabs killing the sudanese but maybe they are just trying to rid (equalling, killing) all of the infidels at all costs, just like we said we should do to communism. There is a cuban saying, "there are 30 million children sleeping on the streets, many are in the US but none are in cuba." Now, I don't agree w/ communism but that's another view. And about your religion, " I deem us all as atheists. I just happen to believe in one less god than you. Once you understand why you dismiss all of the other gods, you will then understand why I dismiss yours." Now I'm not atheist but I do think that is a wonderful quote and i don't have a problem w/ atheism. OK well bye, and thank you for reading
-Danielle