Facts:

Texas was never legally included in the Union.

Texas was an independent country before the united States annexed it.

Texas' Constitution would not allow a foreign country to annex, steal, take or absorb it.

The loss of Texas to the current united States would devastate the North American economy.


Texas never legally ceded to the States, therefore, it is still - and should be considered - an independent country.

There's even a Texas embassy in Paris.

Well, okay, there were some Tennesseans, but no organized US army.

Davy Crocket wasn't Texan and he died at the Alamo. But I repeal my mexico statement. It had nothing to do with my point and I would rather the serious parts of my argument be focused on.

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And since we kicked mexico's bum so you could do your thing, I think we earned Texas.

Excuse me? I kinda think you are mistaken. Do you know Texas history backwards and forwards like I do? No, or else you'd know that the first action against Mexico was the Texas War of Independence. Fought solely by Texans and Mexicans, no US involved. Then Texas declared its independence and elected a president, Sam Houston. That was in the 1830s. The US-Mexican war was from 1846 to 1848, after Texas became a state. America did not "earn" Texas. That's like saying we "earned" the Louisiana Purchase. We just bought that chunk of land. There was no fighting for it, unless you're suggesting Napoleon fought a war against the US in addition to most of Europe.

The same goes to you, Joey. Are you from Texas? If not, you have no right to be quoting Texas history. And if you are from Texas, you have your history horribly wrong. The Texas embassy in Paris dates from a long time ago, pardner.

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second we have the base for nasa we can just caught off yalls communications if we did decide to leave the united states. We also have have the largest army bases in the United States where alot of the troops in Iraq are coming from.

You don't have "the base" for NASA you idiot. You have flight control. Flight control can be moved. Launch control is whats important and thats in Cape Canaveral/Kennedy, Florida. Even If both went down, we don't need nasa to keep satelites in orbit. the pretty much orbit all by themselves. Europe launches satelites too so if we did need to maintain a satelite, we could still do it.
You may have army bases in your state but most troops are from other states and they're controlled from the pentagon. Texas national guard is something you can keep if you secede.

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Texas never legally ceded to the States, therefore, it is still - and should be considered - an independent country.

With exception to the Louisiana purchase, Florida and Alaska no state was ceded to the U.S. We just took it. And since we kicked mexico's bum so you could do your thing, I think we earned Texas.

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Texas was never legally included in the Union.

On 3/1/1845 the U.S. congress passed a resolution offering Texas statehood.
It was approved by the Texas congres on 6/19/1845 where they also wrote the state constitution. This is all one has to do to be "legally included in the union."

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That's like saying California has the right to hold the first presidential primaries, the heck with what New Hampshire says (NH Constitution dictates that it has the first primary).

Actually, there's some rumor that DC will be having the first one. Haven't you guys ever taken Civics, or American history or something? Haven't you learned that the US Constitution rules over any state Constitution?

I also think you guys have forgotten that the current President is from Texas. But it is the Legislature that decides to go to war. In that case, I definitely see a problem for Texas. And as for how "good" your troops are, good for you, but we'd still kick you back to Redneackistan.

Funny Hydrok, and probably true.

first dont stereotype thats just stupid.
second we have the base for nasa we can just caught off yalls communications if we did decide to leave the united states. We also have have the largest army bases in the United States where alot of the troops in Iraq are coming from.

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Originally posted by againstallauthority:
You know what you guys are stupid, Texas is the best state in the U.S. You guys are jealous because we have hotter chicks here!!

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Oh my God. He might be the funniest person on the site. But it's obvious he doesn't intend to be...

But what's REALLY funny is that he's 18 and he sounds like a raging 14-year-old, while there are tons of people younger that him that make such better arguments.

Seriously, though. If North Korea had the "hottest chicks" in the world, would you be on the next plane there?

Texas may or may not be legally a state depending on how you as a individual want to slant the view.

However, Texas was readmitted to the Union post-Civil war and became thus part of the Union AGAIN OFFICIALLY.

The whole arguement is moot considering Texas has nothing to gain in succession, Bush was governor of Texas before so all you'd do is give Bush a new place to be President of.

Fact is all of the US is in huge deficits both state and nation. Result is I'll make you a deal, if Texas can pay off this debt and balance their budget then yes I will give Texas the right to leave the Union. I believe that if the deficit were paid that all Texas leaving the Union would do is convince Texans just how much better off the economy was in the Union.

Furthermore, Texans are of every race, gender and creed. Texans first we may be but we are also proud Americans and stand as brothers, and sisters, in the armed forces, in the IRS, in the Senate, in the House of Representatives, in the Federal Reserve, in Walmart, in France, in Iraq, and in the world.

Pride may go before a fall but we can and will defy all odds just like our forefathers against the Mighty British Empire.

The United States may divide in the future but that will not be so as long as I can fight to preserve my country against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

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Originally posted by daveman486:
what is so special about quebec

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If the US were to annex them, we could systematicly remove all our military bases and gut all federal resources out of texas and then cut them from the union without suffering any kind of backlash... Quebec has approximatly the same land mass and number of people... plus a lower drinking age

what is so special about quebec

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Originally posted by againstallauthority:
Man what a bunch of F****** idiots. Think about what Texas brings to the U.S. seriously think about it, don't just put hmmm..nothing.

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Fact, Texas doesn't bring anything to the US that Quebec couldn't... even oil

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Originally posted by FlashTheSign813:
I may not agree with you all the time, JoeyD, but I'll give you this...you do know how to spark dicussion. Kudos for that.

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you have yet to learn...

I may not agree with you all the time, JoeyD, but I'll give you this...you do know how to spark dicussion. Kudos for that.

ok JoeyDauben, now that we have finished making fun of Texas I have a question: What do you want to do about it? If Texas is an independent nation, then so should Hawaii, which I fully believe needs to leave the USA ASAP.

Man what a bunch of F****** idiots. Think about what Texas brings to the U.S. seriously think about it, don't just put hmmm..nothing.

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Originally posted by VeRtiCaLxLiMiT:
Wow I never knew any of this about Texas. Is it seriously all true? So technically, Texas isn't a state?

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No texas is not a state, it's official name is the "Republic of Texas"

Wow I never knew any of this about Texas. Is it seriously all true? So technically, Texas isn't a state?

Our state Constitution excplicity states that this:

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the United States of Amerca and the Former Republic of Texas agreed to what is like a corporate merger.

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Is absolutely illegal.

You can't "contract" an annexation [land grab] like that over the state Constitution. YOu simply can't.

It's not legal. It is not legal whatsoever.

A corporate merger? It doesn't make it LEGAL.

That's like saying California has the right to hold the first presidential primaries, the heck with what New Hampshire says (NH Constitution dictates that it has the first primary).

But big deal, the "Union won." The Union also illegally annexed -- with Texas' lax permission, unfortunately -- this state of mine, which, again, is ILLEGAL.

See, those who have a passion for the rule of law would not agree to such a "merger."

Only those who see it politically expedient would allow for it to happen.

I'm in a minority when it comes to fully educated, informed citizenry.

Now you all know. The land grab by the Union was illegal.

Hope that helps.

Please. Secede. We don't want you.