I think everyone eligible to vote should go out to see Fahrenheit 9/11. Bush has banned the movie in some small towns because it's "too controversial". Bush just doesn't want the truth to be told. This movie will shed light upon Bush, the Bin laden family and the war in Iraq. It also shows how recruits find soldiers and how much Bush "cares" about his African American people.

Celicious 41.11 is a great movie. Breaks down Fehrenhit 9-11 point by point.

"thank you! true proof of the shrub's stupidity."

Liberals would have us believe that Bush is too stupid to tie his own shoes, but somehow masterminded a conspiracy to grab the world's oil supply.

Pick which lie you like most and get back to me.

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farenheit 9/11 is a bunch of bull**** all rapped together to form what can hardly be described as a documentary. Watch Celcious 41.11 it takes apart that entire movie piece by piece. I beleive there is also a movie called farenhype 9/11 but i havn't seen it.

You're fighting fire by adding gasoline.

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farenhype 9/11 but i havn't seen it.

is there any link u can provide for that. and whose it is..i trid google but it isnt showing up

farenheit 9/11 is a bunch of bull**** all rapped together to form what can hardly be described as a documentary. Watch Celcious 41.11 it takes apart that entire movie piece by piece. I beleive there is also a movie called farenhype 9/11 but i havn't seen it.

thank you! true proof of the shrub's stupidity. i love your signature as well, and i can't wait to join the "creamo" revolution!!!

Karen- I love your quote...at the bottom..

hehehehe.

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The problem is not that we won't let other countries run their governments by their religion, it's that we run ours by Christianity and so we want them to run theirs by Christianity. Governments and religions should be separate no matter what country they're in. In my humble opinion.

that was basically my point. and i agree, governments and religions should be seperate in every country.

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how come we can run our government by Christianity, but Middle Eastern countries don't have the right to run their governments by their religion?

The problem is not that we won't let other countries run their governments by their religion, it's that we run ours by Christianity and so we want them to run theirs by Christianity. Governments and religions should be separate no matter what country they're in. In my humble opinion.

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Unfortunately, we agreed to a ceasefire, forgetting that a snake is still a snake.

Too right.

Actually, he almost did. He should have, in theory. Clinton even asked Congress for support to that effect. Either that, or he was just posturing to divert attention from Monicagate...

You also forget that Iraq invaded a sovereign nation, and the U.S., along with 33 other nations, decided to defend Kuwait and knock Saddam in the dirt. Unfortunately, we agreed to a ceasefire, forgetting that a snake is still a snake.

In any case, please answer the question - had Clinton started a war against Iraq, would Clinton supporters still be so gung-ho against it?

My theory:

Based on Clinton's world affairs and forgein policies, and since Gore had been his vice, I don't think the war would have ever happened if Gore had been elected. I honestly think he would have stopped and assesed the situation before he acted, unlike Bush, who sent troops in just 48 hours, which is as soon as he could have sent them according to the War Powers Act. War hasn't even been declared. Teh thing is, ever since the cold war, if there is a country who's political head figure is against the u.s., or we don't like him, we go in under the excuse of liberation and put someone we like into the seat of power. We tried to do it in China, Vietnam, Hawaii, and Iraq. This is not the first time we've gone into Iraq either.

But yeah, Bush isn't the best president. I hate listening to his speeches and those "Bush-isms" as people seem to like to call them.

That's my thought.

To tell you the truth, I'm not "pro-war" or "anti-war." I'm a pacifist, but I think that we were somewhat justified in war, but I'm mixed about because I don't like war. It's is justifiable in certain circumstances, but I think we could have tried harder to settle the dispute without war. Being the pacifist I am.

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would you have extended the same support to clinton had he declared war against iraq?
are you people supporting war for politcally right reasons or for morally right reasons?

For the Record, I'm not "pro-war". I just end up defending it often because I know most "anti-war" supporters are more anti-Bush than anti-war.
In answer to your question, my level of support would be no different, especially since it's our soldiers in harm's way. Moreover, I think Clinton would have had somewhat stronger justification if we invaded Iraq immediately following Saddam's kicking out our weapons inspectors.

What about the reverse situation? Would Clinton supporters have been so anti-war had Clinton started Iraq II?

all the bush supporters out there just a question..
would you have extended the same support to clinton had he declared war against iraq?
are you people supporting war for politcally right reasons or for morally right reasons?

whether you like to hear this or not..neither bush nor his successors will go to war for purely altruistic benefit of world democracy..democracy in the arab world had become essential for american security reasons..
why did it take just 9/11 to set this whole 'terrorism is bad for the world' thing off..the existenece of taliban was no secret to thier mother..then why it did take the americans just 9/11 to do something for the benefit of the world..
and when bush went to war with iraq his primary reason was WMD,s...yes maybe he wanted to liberate women and all the other sensitive issues that make him look like the glory hog..but WMD's were his prime concern...
america for decades has just been lip servicing genuine democracies but in practice has been supporting autocrats...after all they are bushes family friends i guess...
and no politician retains honesty once he is in office...
i personally feel that americans are to naive to think that democracy can be translplanted the way you people are doing it in countries where dissent has traditionally been considered treason..and iraq is the lousiest place for such an experiment given the antagonism between the kurds, shias and sunnis...
a democracy anywhere is a good idea but neither bush nor his critics have produced a convincing way of achieving this....

i was referring to pre-liberated Iraq. i'm not saying that what some middle eastern governments do is right in any way, because they have done many terrible things. but we criticize them for using the Koran as a guidline for their government and our government is so largely based on the Bible.

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how come we can run our government by Christianity, but Middle Eastern countries don't have the right to run their governments by their religion?

were letting the Iraqis run their own country - were not stopping them from praticing whatever religion they want to. All we are doing is changing their government from a dicatorship to a democracy.

guys, i'm not here to argue about bush or moore's lies. i'm saying that the "war" in iraq was unnecessary and bush put lives at risk for no reason. and now he's keeping them over there, when they aren't doing anything. however they are still dying from insurgents who don't want us there.

how come we can run our government by Christianity, but Middle Eastern countries don't have the right to run their governments by their religion?

i agree that all politicians are liars. but does that make it right?

That's the thing, karenmaraya. He didn't lie. No more than any other president on this planet.

Politicians are liars. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. I know this, I acknowledge this.