ok you know what the death penalty is wwong because 1: We aren't the ones who are supposed to chose who dies or who lives God does 2:if we are doing this because they did it to someone else look in the mirror your no better then they are 3:if they are a threat to the WORLD yes its right but to one person no 4:would you want to die if you did this you wouldn't get to see your family for the next at least 20-40 years and 5: we should be making them feel guilty for who they killed and why they killed them give them PRISON FOR LIFE!!!
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I disagree. If a person kills someone wat makes that persons life more valuable than the person that he/she killed. Would you rather see that man getting free meals and a place to sleep regardless of wat the guards do those murderers are happy to get a free meals and a place to sleep. Have you heard about a jail that now lets the inmates cistomize their cells. That is ridiculas, they live in luxury while the person they might have killed is in a coffin now tell me if that is wrong.
i disagree the death penalty is not wrong i think that people who only kill one person should rott in jail but whoever kills 2 or more deserves torture from the family he/she has affected.
Originally posted by ocd: because humans are on the top of the food chain for one, humans can be reasond with and know for a fact the what is right and wrong where as dogs can only tell that a certin person or animal is on there teritory, i dont want to kill animals that is not what i am saying, animals are animals and god put them on this earth for our use, i would throw away a broken screw driver, if that makes me a bad person so be it.
Despite the fact that we are at the top of the food chain, that gives you ZERO right to compare an animal (A living, breathing, feeling being) to a broken screw driver that can be thrown away like trash. That's disgusting and COMPLETELY disrespectful of "God's Creation".
And why the hell did you take the 'u' out of the word "vicious"? Quit butchering my words.
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It's really naive to think you can reason with some criminals. They have no conscience. And the fact that most of us know right from wrong makes their crimes even worse. I can forgive a dog for mauling me, because that dog was probably taught to behave that way by their owner. They were only trying to make their masters happy. A human has no excuse. A person that kills for the fun of it, is a monster. They do not deserve to live amongst us, or amongst other prisoners. They should be removed from the gene pool as quickly as possible.
And they don't stop, even when we give them a chance. Some people don't deserve the life that was given to them.
This made me think.
I know I am breaking Godwin's Law or whatever, but I don't care. It's an idiotic law. It's the equivalent of saying we can't use Napoleon of Genghis Khan was an example either.
Hitler made the exact same argument about the Jews. He argued that they were subhuman, and therefore it was permissible to kill them in mass quantities.
Are we to argue that the mentally deranged are subhuman? Do they not have the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
If you argue, "They don't deserve the life given to them", you're making a giant opening.
I can argue the same thing towards you. You don't deserve the life given to you because you're not a communist.
The debate stops there, whoever has the larger army conquers, and one of us ends up on the firing line.
Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
The thing is that this site is full of animal rights activists and your spelling sucks.
*rubs hands* Dear Lord we've converted another one!
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okay, i think that i should revise something that i have said previously. i guess what i should have said (even though anything i say is going to getother people to tear me apar) is that i dont think that animals have the saame rights as humans, thats all.
if we can kill vicios dogs then why cant we kill vicios humans
because humans are on the top of the food chain for one,
How does our eating status affect this. The thing is, some people kill. And they don't stop, even when we give them a chance. Some people don't deserve the life that was given to them.
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if we can kill vicios dogs then why cant we kill vicios humans
because humans are on the top of the food chain for one, humans can be reasond with and know for a fact the what is right and wrong where as dogs can only tell that a certin person or animal is on there teritory, i dont want to kill animals that is not what i am saying, animals are animals and god put them on this earth for our use, i would throw away a broken screw driver, if that makes me a bad person so be it.
If you want to do the fun stuff, you have to go through the hard stuff
Most killers would be considered crazy to begin with. Either they actually have a mental illness or they were not in their right mind at the time they commit the murder. I really don't think any 'sane' person can kill.
That depends on your definition of sane. Temporary insanity is not an excuse, in my opinion.
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No. It does not work as a deterrent. People who murder do not expect to get caught. Or as I have already said they were not in their right mind at the time of the murder. Most murders are crimes of passion, not thought out.
I find your last statement there a little hard to accept without a good source. If it's true that people who murder do not expect to get caught, wouldn't it make sense that they'd think it out to avoid getting caught?
Anyways, indeed, the death penalty does not deter those who really want to kill, but you honestly can't say it's not a deterrent at all. Perhaps it's already deterring people. You can't say for certain that it doesn't work without quite an in depth study.
Most killers would be considered crazy to begin with. Either they actually have a mental illness or they were not in their right mind at the time they commit the murder. I really don't think any 'sane' person can kill.
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Capital punishment also works as a deterrent. If the consequence for murder is a roof over your head and food with the possibility of parole in less than 10 years if you have good behavior, that's not really going to prevent people from killing. If the consequence is death, plain and simple, not as many people are going to want to kill.
No. It does not work as a deterrent. People who murder do not expect to get caught. Or as I have already said they were not in their right mind at the time of the murder. Most murders are crimes of passion, not thought out.
Being a burden also doesn't justify killing them.
"Peculiar travel suggestions are dancing lessons from God."
Isolating them where? I already pointed out how space can become limited.
Besides, when you think about it, where's the worst place for a killer to be put? Among other killers. That's not exactly the best situation there. And if you were talking about complete isolation (solitary confinement), that's not ideal, either. Being alone for too long can drive a person crazy. Crazy killers are worse than the normal kind.
Capital punishment also works as a deterrent. If the consequence for murder is a roof over your head and food with the possibility of parole in less than 10 years if you have good behavior, that's not really going to prevent people from killing. If the consequence is death, plain and simple, not as many people are going to want to kill.
Basically, the situation looks like this. If someone commits a heinous crime, you either lock them up forever or execute them. Either way, they're cut off from society, but the former solution (locking them up) is an actual burden on society. They take up space without providing anything for society. Killing them eliminates the space problem. Either way, they've forfeited their life, but execution means they aren't being a burden on anyone any more.
to prevent them killing again. If a sheepdog bites one of his flock he's put down. if an animal has rabies it's put down. Why? in both cases to prevent further harm
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
But who are we to say that being in jail for life is better than the death penalty? We recently talked about this in class, and one kid said that it was better to be locked away for the rest of their lives. But I for one would prefer to have some time to confess my sins and then die, rather than live in a cell the rest of my life thinking about what I have done to deserve that.
So I just went to a medium security prison last Thursday, and the prisoners didn't appear to generally sit in a cell, so to speak. Even those in the prison for murder were able to work and get an education in things such as carpentry.
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