Pros and Cons.............

Your cut off NuShoes... that goes back to what I was talking about before, about hating people... sticking it in an intern has nothing to do with what kind of president he was. It's the perception of the American public that blew it out of proportion.

Again if your going to use the convictions argument you shall be ignored.

I'd rather have a president who sticks to his convictions than one who sticks it in fat interns.

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So totally Bush, he's a man who sticks to his convictions and let's face it...Clinton had none.

Umm... I'm pretty sure Clinton put a lot of effort into helping poor black neighorhoods, especially Harlem. He didn't have to, but he did anyway. No convictions my ass.

It's funny, I went over this with my girlfriend last night... and it made me sad... It suprised me how someone of her caliber of intelligence can be so easily caught up in all of the media/fox news/character assassination and then repeat all the above rhetoric as an argument back at me... not a good idea

It seems to me that the answer to this question of who was a better president, is pretty clear. But people will keep going back to the same old worn out excuses of why it's not the case... I mean honestly if the best you can come up with is that Bush has convictions that he sticks to, and Clinton didn't... you need to find a new forum and go play else where, because that wont fly. Thats a childish way of thinking about it. See you dont have to like the politician, hell I hate them all, you have to like the work they do. When people let their emotions or hatred for a person overshadow what that person is doing for his country it's a sad situation.

Man, Stephen Colbert is the man.

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So totally Bush, he's a man who sticks to his convictions and let's face it...Clinton had none.

I love how sticking to a conviction obviously tells the tale of a better president...

In the words of Colbert "he believes the same thing wednesday that he believed on monday, no matter what happened tuesday".

Clinton knew when to keep the country's pocketbook closed. Bush wants to spend, spend, spend.

That's enough to put me in Clinton's camp. I'm a forgiving man. I can put his affair aside in order to look at the bigger picture. Bush has, to put it lightly, screwed up. We're neck-deep in a war we can't win, the national debt has grown exponentially, not to mention how the world sees the United States in a much dimmer light since Clinton left office.

So totally Bush, he's a man who sticks to his convictions and let's face it...Clinton had none.

and that's divided in to REMFs, Boots(Infantry), Tankers and Arty

basically anyone in the military that doesn't fly or swim

I'm not familiar with the term "ground pounder"....

sounds like a fun ride Hydrok

Well the idea is that they can pay a civilian to do anything non combat about half of what it costs to do the job of someone in the military.

So that means we all get to be either pilots or ground pounders.

For me I'm going to be airborne... probably because of all my quals be going to Hurlburt Fld. and working with the Special ops guys (combat controllers and pararescue) as an airborne counter intel guy.

And then after I get my commission I plan on at least attempting to be a pilot.

BTW did I tell you I got to fly a few weeks ago (and I dont mean ride) I got a "fam flight" in a T-37, it was sweet, it has the highest G onset of any aircraft in the US inventory and I found that out the hard way.. I was definatly not ready for 9 G's the first time i felt it in real life while flying.

Huh that's kinda strange I always thought across the board sweeps were rare

no but you can sure re-arrange mother natures face with it

Nah these guys came from tons of fields, from missile maintainance to logistics/readiness to aircraft maintainance to scientists, to special investigators.

Well what were all those chairborne lts doing really? besides getting a serious case of swivil chair spread that is. The reason that the Corps and the Army are more surviable from staff ditching is that no matter how awesome your airpower you cannot win a war with out boots on the ground, you cannot take and hold terriotry with just aircraft.

well an act of congress was needed to reduce the airforce as well, and that happened... but since the marines carry guns and do security detail, then they get to stay around (nevermind the fact that I have a 6 month course out at Fort Bragg for Combat Infantry Training, then to AIT from there... the new policy is every airman a soldier. I dont mind too much, but there is a lot of bad blood going around from some of our more... shall we say cowardly ranks and careers.

Hell I already have Survival, and jump school under my belt... might as well top it all off, maybe I can get a couple dozen grand and switch to the Army as an airborne intel officer after I get my degree.

shoulda gone Marines Hydrok an act of congress is required to reduce the Corps (set at three divisions and three airwings with complete support staff)

Well you gotta figure, that if clinton hadn't done it Bush would have had to anyway, I mean look at how crazy the defense budget is... besides this particular admin wants to spend billions on new weapons systems, not people.