i want someone to tell me what is good about Kerry, and what he will do for this country, WITHOUT insulting Bush or mentioning kerry's time in vietnam or his 3 papercut purple hearts? ...or is it possible?
Stem cell research on ADULT cells (even taken from skin--no incision even is made!) has proved EFFECTIVE in helping save lives for the last 15 years-- fetus stem cells have only been experimented with for the last 3 years. It's completely unnecessary. Why kill a life before it fully begins for someone who has a disease or illness when BOTH of them can live? It's ridiculious. Kerry has MAJOR flip-flop problems, my favorite being the one I_Love_DashboardConfessional listed. He also only gave $100 or so to charities a year until he came into the large public eye--- now he gives THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS.
By the way, CrayonEater: your avatar rocks!! =)
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"John Kerry ran out of credibility when he voted against funds to support the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with critical supplies like body armor and ammunition. His indecision, vacillation and lack of leadership on the War on Terror are troubling to veterans and to all voters. It's no wonder the Democratic leader in the Senate is running ads showing him embracing the President's leadership in the War on Terror."
"It's just the principal of the matter. America was founded on not having to put up with such crap."
with what crap?
weobviously arent going to agree on the PATRIOT ACT and like you said we could debate this all day which is somthing that i do not want to do at the moment.
"Trust me, they dislike Bush more than Kerry. It's not a difficult thing to do."
i dont know about this but they said they dont support kerry's plans for iraq and would oppose them just as much as they opposed bushs plans. but your right theyy may like him more as a person because thy know that kerry wil be just be a puppet of the UN.
"I support Kerry because I believe he will follow in the economic footsteps Clinton laid down. Bush, on the other hand, will continue to rely on Reaganomics, and if recent history has proven anything, it's that _Reaganomics don't work_."
i got a graph and ill post it later if you want and i think i hav something to say on reagen's economy as well but only if you wish...
"Tax cuts simply don't help the economy. Reagan started a supply-side economic system, and George H.W. Bush continued it. By the time Bush Sr. left office, the annual deficit was $290 billion per year."
thats because he was n war and war is a costly thing. \
"Then, Clinton came in, looked things over, and realized a total reversal of Reaganomics was in order. And, lo and behold, between 1992 and 2000, the U.S. economy produced the longest sustained economic expansion in U.S. History."
...and eight months before he left...what sarted to happen? the economy was receding and all theat economic expansion was all thanks to reagen.
"Over 18 million new jobs were created, and by the end of Clinton's presidency, the U.S. economy was at a $236 billion surplus. Then, Dubya came along, realized Clinton's policies weren't adequately screwing over the poor, and went back to Reaganomics."
thanks to bush millions of lower class peopel dont even pay taxes. his taxes do not favor the rich. again it was because of reagen.
"In just one term, he managed to turn a $236 billion surplus into a $500 billion deficit, "
400 billion and it was because of the war. and that oesn even coe close to the 22 trillion kerry wants to put us int he hole.
"_the largest in the history of the U.S._ To quote a good piece of bumper sticker wisdom, we went from bl0wjobs to no jobs. The way I see it, even if Kerry _doesn't_ use Clinton's formula, he can't do much worse than Dubya."
we have a big and coslty war on our hands, hte global war on terror and we wil win we will not falter we will not fail. we always win thats what Americans do.
"Sure, the U.N. needs a little work, but it is the supreme organization of all of the greatest countries in the world."
the greates coutries in the world. there is no great (as far as power and prosperoty goes) country other than America. which contries are we talking about? our econom , as schwarzeneggar puts it is teh "envy of the world"
"We can't just turn our back on the U.N. We might as well send a memo to every country on earth containing a picture of a raised middle finger."
they have turned their backs on us. wehen it comes to peace and humanitarian aide which they seem to be such advocates for they run away as cowards and leave us to deal with America's problems and when we, teh only nation who tries to do what it actually says what its going to do, we et crticized by teh organization that says its all for humanitarian aide. but they didnt care about the mass graves, the AIDS epidemic in Africa they do not care they are no better than the league of nations following the WWI. we need to elave it. we need to draw our support from there. we already did one of my recommendations. we puled our troops from Geramany and they were crying telling us not to leave. lets see how uch they like when they are attacked.
"See my other posts containing quotes from the Religious Right. If you don't find them extremist, there's no hope for you."
ya ive seen those posts. they dont show me anything.
"I'm kinda hoping we won't, as I'm generally against the creation of WMDs. However, for Bush's political career to continue, we badly need to see them. Maybe Bush can make a few and plant them there."
im sure you are agiasnt finding them because that would that ucsh and i were right and you were so sadly wrong.
"I mean the Patriot Act is an act of cowardice. If you support it, you're saying, "Search me, rape me, abuse me, O Holy Government, just please keep me safe!""
thats a bit extreme. they dot abuse they dont rape and i have a feeling that you are being theoretical or somthing like that but that is none the less extreme.
"Clinton told Bush, "You might want to keep an eye on these Al Qaeda guys." Bush, in return, said, "Meh, I'll get around to it." Also, as Fahrenheit 9/11 pointed out, Bush also let a terrorist walk right past him."
so you got Fahrenheit 911 t show for it. nice. REALLY nice.
"Yep, they're now completely free and living in a functional democratic society. They're not living in anarchy and chaos. Nope. Nuh-uh."
itll take tiem. after the fall of hitle you saw germany it was in a shambles. but after a decade or so they were a proserpouse nation.
"Weapons exist that could blow up half the world in seconds. You can either live in fear of them or try to maintain a normal, healthy life."
andif totalitraian regimes such as former iraq and iran are allowed to create weapons, they will get into the hands of terrorists.
"Well, except for Fox News, AM radio, sport/gun/truck magazines and any sort of upscale publications, I agree with you about the no news media being supportive of Bush."
FOX news doesnt support bush. it is objective as it can be. yesterday, FOX news fgpt the highest rating for viewers watching the convention that has to say somthing. upscale magazines? define our defintion of "upscale magazines"
" As for believing you'll die if you'll let it grow...I'll tell you what: you go on rooting for Bush because you believe your own personal safety is involved, and I'll sleep easily tonight knowing I'm perfectly safe no matter who gets elected in November.[/QUOTE]"
quote: i found out today that bush des fund stem cell research while protecting life. which only proves my point. republicans are against EMBRYONIC stem cell research.
I'll admit I don't know too much about the science of stem cell research. However, I'm inclined to believe that embryonic research has to have some (at least potential) big advantages over non-embryonic research. If not, it wouldn't even be an issue.
quote: so you support murder?
I don't consider taking life away from something that has never experienced it murder. The way I see it, the baby won't know what it's losing...the cancer patient lying in a hospital bed will.
quote: dot know why it does that it just does that s about the eightieth time its done that.
It's censoring you because you're managing to spell the word "absolute" with s-l-u-t. I commend you, as that takes a certain level of skill.
quote: this is wh senators cannot run for preident. it is because their record is so open and is vulnerable to alot of scrutiny.
Yeah, that's true. But you're kinda screwed either way: if you haven't been involved in politics, your opponents will say you can't be trusted, and if you have, your opponents can call up all of your mistakes. I wish we had Dean in there; his record was fairly solid.
quote: and.... what are they going to do?
It's just the principal of the matter. America was founded on not having to put up with such crap.
quote: it protects you from terrorist and because of it and the homeland security terrorists have been uprooted.
We could probably argue about this all day, but I firmly believe what we're gaining isn't worth what we're giving up. We don't know how effectively we're stemming the tide of terror, but we do know that that a person of Middle Eastern descent will surely be searched at an airport.
quote: they ahve already said that would not support kery's plans for iraq, nor terrorism itself.
Trust me, they dislike Bush more than Kerry. It's not a difficult thing to do.
quote: 11 trillion must be a favorite number. his social programs would have put us 11 trillion in the whole. either that or he would have to cut 20% in funding frome EVERY government dpet. i dont know which he will do. he's already proven that he likes to cut funding vicously... if he fulfilled just HALF of his campaign money promises it would be another 11 trilion.
I support Kerry because I believe he will follow in the economic footsteps Clinton laid down. Bush, on the other hand, will continue to rely on Reaganomics, and if recent history has proven anything, it's that Reaganomics don't work. Tax cuts simply don't help the economy. Reagan started a supply-side economic system, and George H.W. Bush continued it. By the time Bush Sr. left office, the annual deficit was $290 billion per year. Then, Clinton came in, looked things over, and realized a total reversal of Reaganomics was in order. And, lo and behold, between 1992 and 2000, the U.S. economy produced the longest sustained economic expansion in U.S. History. Over 18 million new jobs were created, and by the end of Clinton's presidency, the U.S. economy was at a $236 billion surplus. Then, Dubya came along, realized Clinton's policies weren't adequately screwing over the poor, and went back to Reaganomics. In just one term, he managed to turn a $236 billion surplus into a $500 billion deficit, the largest in the history of the U.S. To quote a good piece of bumper sticker wisdom, we went from bl0wjobs to no jobs. The way I see it, even if Kerry doesn't use Clinton's formula, he can't do much worse than Dubya.
quote: DESIGEND TO STOP TERROR!? HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! maybe at one time but now theyre run by dictators. they coddle them. they didnt support the war but even on sicail issues such as AIDs, they dont give funding to that and lest we forget the oil for food scandal...
Sure, the U.N. needs a little work, but it is the supreme organization of all of the greatest countries in the world. We can't just turn our back on the U.N. We might as well send a memo to every country on earth containing a picture of a raised middle finger.
quote: extremist agenda give me a break.
See my other posts containing quotes from the Religious Right. If you don't find them extremist, there's no hope for you.
quote: hope flly we'll get to see them.
I'm kinda hoping we won't, as I'm generally against the creation of WMDs. However, for Bush's political career to continue, we badly need to see them. Maybe Bush can make a few and plant them there.
quote: what do you mean? kerry is a coward? what does that have to do with anything? the PATRIOT keeps us safe.
I mean the Patriot Act is an act of cowardice. If you support it, you're saying, "Search me, rape me, abuse me, O Holy Government, just please keep me safe!"
quote: clitnon ahs no right to tell bush what to do when he did absolutly nothing to stop terrorism. he could have had UBL he was handed on a silver platter to clinton. but he didnt take them. he could have been tougher on his immigration policies, which by the way if he was could have deported the hijackers. interesting isnt it?
Clinton told Bush, "You might want to keep an eye on these Al Qaeda guys." Bush, in return, said, "Meh, I'll get around to it." Also, as Fahrenheit 9/11 pointed out, Bush also let a terrorist walk right past him.
quote: ...liberated 25 milion people, stoped the mas graves, more democracies, more freedom, women learning, etc etc etc
Yep, they're now completely free and living in a functional democratic society. They're not living in anarchy and chaos. Nope. Nuh-uh.
quote: no it is not. when you see in less than 101 minutes that more people can die han Pearl Harbor there is a threat.
Weapons exist that could blow up half the world in seconds. You can either live in fear of them or try to maintain a normal, healthy life.
quote: there is no news media that is supportive of bush and nor should there be. we wil al die i fwe let it grow.
Well, except for Fox News, AM radio, sport/gun/truck magazines and any sort of upscale publications, I agree with you about the no news media being supportive of Bush. As for believing you'll die if you'll let it grow...I'll tell you what: you go on rooting for Bush because you believe your own personal safety is involved, and I'll sleep easily tonight knowing I'm perfectly safe no matter who gets elected in November.
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And then, as the books were told, Fina replied: "A can of worms, my dear friend? What has this to do with reason?"
"This cancer thing is clearly a setback. Maybe if we gave scientists a chance to work on it, they could find a way to do it so the lab rats didn't get cancer. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going, we'll never know."
i found out today that bush des fund stem cell research while protecting life. which only proves my point. republicans are against EMBRYONIC stem cell research.
"Taking lives that have not yet started to save lives that are already in progress is a touchy issue, but one I support."
so you support murder?
"Only you could make them need to censor the word "absolute", my friend."
i dot know why it does that it just does that s about the eightieth time its done that.
"No, I'm explaining that the argument against him is so strong now because we are in paranoid times. I implied that when he cut the funding we were _not_ in paranoid times. Try reading for content."
this is wh senators cannot run for preident. it is because their record is so open and is vulnerable to alot of scrutiny.
"There is still no known connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. In fact, based on the way government and politics seem to work, it would stand to reason that Saddam and Al Qaeda were against each other."
religiously? yes. politically? no. absoltuley no. abu nadal, a well known terrorist was also in baghdad.
"Yes, but if I did chose to look at porn, they could know I was looking at porn."
and.... what are they going to do?
"That alone is enough to make me uncomfortable. It also is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment...oh, wait, never mind, there is no Fourth Amendment anymore. Thank you very much, Patriot Act."
it protects you from terrorist and because of it and the homeland security terrorists have been uprooted.
"He had plans as solid as any incoming politician. I actually believe he will take great steps in bringing back our European allies."
they ahve already said that would not support kery's plans for iraq, nor terrorism itself.
"In any case, if he was following up Clinton instead of Bush, he would actually have $11 trillion to spend."
11 trillion must be a favorite number. his social programs would have put us 11 trillion in the whole. either that or he would have to cut 20% in funding frome EVERY government dpet. i dont know which he will do. he's already proven that he likes to cut funding vicously... if he fulfilled just HALF of his campaign money promises it would be another 11 trilion.
"God forbid Kerry should actually still have faith in an organization designed to stop terror and make the world a safe place."
DESIGEND TO STOP TERROR!? HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! maybe at one time but now theyre run by dictators. they coddle them. they didnt support the war but even on sicail issues such as AIDs, they dont give funding to that and lest we forget the oil for food scandal...
"That's so much worse than, say, an organization designed to exploit a religion to gain funding and boost its own extremist agenda."
extremist agenda give me a break.
"That was the problem with Saddam. He was _always_ just six months away from building a new WMD. And I'll believe those weapons are in Syria when I see them."
hope flly we'll get to see them.
" Of course, when they're not found, you could claim they're in Iran, and then in Saudi Arabia, etc., etc...come to think of it, those wanting to exploit our intel could keep it up for a long time."
just so oyu know it could either be in lebanon or syria its not clear yet.
"With that statement, you officially waive your right to ever call Kerry a coward. I shall repeat the quote: _those who sacrifice security for freedom will ultimately lose both_."
what do you mean? kerry is a coward? what does that have to do with anything? the PATRIOT keeps us safe.
" Anyways, we may very well end up giving up half our rights in exchange for plans which may or may not protect us anyways. The terrorists are crafty, and even with our best measures, we may not be able to tell when the terrorists are going to strike."
thats more measures than clinton.
"Kept us safe? Well, as he entered office, he ignored Clinton's warning, although he was kind enough to create a mock anti-terrorism committee which didn't meet once before 9/11."
clitnon ahs no right to tell bush what to do when he did absolutly nothing to stop terrorism. he could have had UBL he was handed on a silver platter to clinton. but he didnt take them. he could have been tougher on his immigration policies, which by the way if he was could have deported the hijackers. interesting isnt it?
"He then invaded Iraq for faulty reasons, setting off shockwaves of anti-Americanism worldwide and giving the world at large a new reason to hate us. Yeah, he made us safer all right. "
...liberated 25 milion people, stoped the mas graves, more democracies, more freedom, women learning, etc etc etc
"I agree that some fear is a healthy thing. However, the threat of terrorism is greatly exaggerated."
no it is not. when you see in less than 101 minutes that more people can die han Pearl Harbor there is a threat.
" The Right, and the media pundits that support them, would want you to believe that if we don't invade three more countries in the Middle East, we will all surely die."
there is no news media that is supportive of bush and nor should there be. we wil al die i fwe let it grow.
"The right thing to do was indeed to respond, but it was to respond _with action against those responsible_. Bush started out by doing this, and then he manipulated 9/11 and used it to carry out his anti-Iraq plan that had been in place since the moment he decided to run for President."
he did and saddam suported terrorism. you od not understand that the only way to stop terrorism is at its source. its source is the deep pockets of toalitarian regimes and is really the only way to stop them. if we cu toff their money, the have no finacial support and without finacial support, they are a bunch of arab guring falgs and pose no real threat.
"A President who truly cared about terrorism would have kept on the actual terrorists.[/QUOTE]"
This cancer thing is clearly a setback. Maybe if we gave scientists a chance to work on it, they could find a way to do it so the lab rats didn't get cancer. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going, we'll never know.
quote: if it truly does work someo ther coutnry will figure it ourt and we wll know then.
Other countries are already making great progress with stem cell research. By the time the U.S. pulls its head out of its *** on this one, China will probably already have a cure for cancer.
quote: i do not know why they have to use embryos why not use somthing from an adult body?
Because it just doesn't work the same. There's nothing in the adult body that could bring the same results.
quote: waht kiling babies? i do to.
Taking lives that have not yet started to save lives that are already in progress is a touchy issue, but one I support.
quote: well explain the lab rats then.
Could you show me an article about these lab rats? I doubt they all got afflicted with cancer.
quote: there is no abo****e best politician there is no such thing.
Only you could make them need to censor the word "absolute", my friend.
quote: oh so are trying to justify his actions because we are in "paranoid times" he did throughout the nineties and there weree no "paranoid times" then.
No, I'm explaining that the argument against him is so strong now because we are in paranoid times. I implied that when he cut the funding we were not in paranoid times. Try reading for content.
quote: unnecessary programs. he voted against funding of the CIA.
Yes, which I attempted to justify. Maybe I just phrased it poorly.
quote: yes he did. i guess you thik it is just a coincidence that al-zarqawi was in the baghdad the same day the war started. i gues you think it a coincidence that several of his top fedayeen agenst were alos prminent members in al qaeda. so and so forth.
There is still no known connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. In fact, based on the way government and politics seem to work, it would stand to reason that Saddam and Al Qaeda were against each other.
quote: sure he did.
Excellent, we finally agree on something.
quote: they arent going to arrest you for looking at stuff such as porn, and the like.
Yes, but if I did chose to look at porn, they could know I was looking at porn. That alone is enough to make me uncomfortable. It also is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment...oh, wait, never mind, there is no Fourth Amendment anymore. Thank you very much, Patriot Act.
quote: the differnce betweeen yours and mine is that mine is accurate and your is not.
That's open to speculation. I'm just surprised they haven't censored douchebag.
quote: solid plans. anyone can say "i will ring back our european allies, i will stop pollution, i will do this i will do that" heck if thats all it took I could un for president. the point is he has no plan, no explanation on how he is going to execute all of these things, none at all. if he fulfiled just half of his campaign promises, he'd be spending over 11 trillion dollars.
He had plans as solid as any incoming politician. I actually believe he will take great steps in bringing back our European allies. In any case, if he was following up Clinton instead of Bush, he would actually have $11 trillion to spend.
quote: we all love the constitution. at least most of us.
The Right seems to selectively love it. The Second Amendment, for instance, is gold, but the First and Fourth...pshaw, who needs them, anyway?
quote: at least bush doesnt submit to the wishes of the UN...
God forbid Kerry should actually still have faith in an organization designed to stop terror and make the world a safe place. That's so much worse than, say, an organization designed to exploit a religion to gain funding and boost its own extremist agenda.
quote: we arent against it. we only want to make usr ehat those drugs are safe.
This doesn't answer her question.
quote: saddam had WMDs, during hte gulf war he was six months away from building another. the point is he was capable of them, he had them before. he was a threat. and as far as im concerned, his weapons are in syria, but we'll see.
That was the problem with Saddam. He was always just six months away from building a new WMD. And I'll believe those weapons are in Syria when I see them. Of course, when they're not found, you could claim they're in Iran, and then in Saudi Arabia, etc., etc...come to think of it, those wanting to exploit our intel could keep it up for a long time.
quote: it is aBEFIRE they were taken over by tyrannical regime.
quote: the government is suposed to protect us. if we give up sme rights in exchange for freedom and protection then so be it.
With that statement, you officially waive your right to ever call Kerry a coward. I shall repeat the quote: those who sacrifice security for freedom will ultimately lose both.
quote: and i dont want another 911. i dont want to see what i saw that day. i want to see safety and freedom work and in order for that to work, we may have to give up half of a right or so.
Half of a right, half our rights, it's all the same to you. Anyways, we may very well end up giving up half our rights in exchange for plans which may or may not protect us anyways. The terrorists are crafty, and even with our best measures, we may not be able to tell when the terrorists are going to strike. It's a delicate situation, but giving up half our rights is certainly not the answer.
quote: teh man who has kept us safe?
Kept us safe? Well, as he entered office, he ignored Clinton's warning, although he was kind enough to create a mock anti-terrorism committee which didn't meet once before 9/11. He then invaded Iraq for faulty reasons, setting off shockwaves of anti-Americanism worldwide and giving the world at large a new reason to hate us. Yeah, he made us safer all right.
quote: kerry co sponsored a bill that supported the PATRIOT ACT and you support him?
I admit, Kerry has a lot of problems. Now more than ever, I wish we had Dean up there. But we don't, so it's Kerry vs Bush, and, as farsi said, the better choice is Kerry.
quote: it is good to have a healthy fear of terrorism. if you do not fear it you are an idiot. Fear as in respect. you have to relaizze it that ist is dangerours and respect that if allowd to sread it will destroy us all. and that is why we fight it.
I agree that some fear is a healthy thing. However, the threat of terrorism is greatly exaggerated. The Right, and the media pundits that support them, would want you to believe that if we don't invade three more countries in the Middle East, we will all surely die.
quote: it s our bad that we were attacked? and if we didnt respond we were doing the right thing? explain you rlogic.
The right thing to do was indeed to respond, but it was to respond with action against those responsible. Bush started out by doing this, and then he manipulated 9/11 and used it to carry out his anti-Iraq plan that had been in place since the moment he decided to run for President. A President who truly cared about terrorism would have kept on the actual terrorists.
And then, as the books were told, Fina replied: "A can of worms, my dear friend? What has this to do with reason?"
"I feel sorry for you if you think because I love the Constitution, I'm a terrorist. "
we all love the constitution. at least most of us.
"It is exactly that type of thinking that has allowed thousands of innocent Iraqis to be killed. YOU LIVE IN FEAR OF THAT WHICH YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND."
i dont live in fear because we have a competent leader. the insurgents kiled htem for the last time.
"I argue that the dilemma is NOT if Kerry is the best man, but only that he is a BETTER man."
he isnt either.
" That is all we need to make our choice. At least he's not submitting to the wishes and pleasures of the Religious Right."
at least bush doesnt submit to the wishes of the UN...
"You mentioned reimportation of Canadian drugs. If Republicans aren't against it, then why was it not included in the defective Medicare bill the Republicans are so proud of? Why not save money? Giving in to PhRMA? "
we arent against it. we only want to make usr ehat those drugs are safe.
"Anyhow... Clinton didn't unilaterally send the US into war with a country that's never attacked us. (Since you bring it up...) I'm still unclear about WHY we are at war..."
saddam had WMDs, during hte gulf war he was six months away from building another. the point is he was capable of them, he had them before. he was a threat. and as far as im concerned, his weapons are in syria, but we'll see.
:Bin Laden was the US's baby in the early 80's when we needed Afghanistan to be our ally against Russia, right?:
he wasnt a terrorist until the nineties. you must understand that there was no taliban. there was the muja hideen. there was no terrorist networks. there were terrorists, but there were no governments supporting them.
"The US and Iran were great allies. You are CORRECT. The AYATOLLAH was supported by the United States."
it is aBEFIRE they were taken over by tyrannical regime.
"The Patriot Act is trash and anyone that has read it in its entirety and does not feel that infringes their RIGHTS AS AMERICANS (read: Bill of Rights), is NOT an American. You need to move to one of those countries where the government spies on people. That's not what America is all about."
the government is suposed to protect us. if we give up sme rights in exchange for freedom and protection then so be it.
"What does it matter? Because as an American I have certain rights. One of those is privacy as awarded by 3 different Amendments in our Constitution. Why do I care? Because I want to freely express myself."
and i dont want another 911. i dont want to see what i saw that day. i want to see safety and freedom work and in order for that to work, we may have to give up half of a right or so.
"My thoughts, my business. What am I hiding? EVERYTHING. It's my life. How come people can't purchase "Behold a Pale Horse" without having their names entered in a database? That's a shame."
why does it mater?
"Don't do an internet search of it either... they're tracking that too. I don't want my medical records to be seen. I don't want my phone records to be looked at."
what are they going to do? black mail you? you talked to so and so so therefore you have to be a good cititzen...
" the only think I'm afraid of today is the President of the United States..."
teh man who has kept us safe?
"the Media that keeps reminding us what the "Terror Alerts" are... the ignorant politicans that allow the Bill of Rights to be shat upon. FEAR, sir, is the key. "
kerry co sponsored a bill that supported the PATRIOT ACT and you support him?
"YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FEAR... that is YOUR CHOICE."
it is good to have a healthy fear of terrorism. if you do not fear it you are an idiot. Fear as in respect. you have to relaizze it that ist is dangerours and respect that if allowd to sread it will destroy us all. and that is why we fight it.
"I don't live in fear. When you walk around pissed off at people that hate us for reasons you don't understand, that's YOUR bad.[/QUOTE]"
it s our bad that we were attacked? and if we didnt respond we were doing the right thing? explain you rlogic.
I feel sorry for you if you think because I love the Constitution, I'm a terrorist. It is exactly that type of thinking that has allowed thousands of innocent Iraqis to be killed. YOU LIVE IN FEAR OF THAT WHICH YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I'd like to point out that I am NOT a liberal. I disliked Clinton and I did not vote for Al Gore in an election or primary. (California has open primaries, I'm not a registered Democrat or Green). I argue that the dilemma is NOT if Kerry is the best man, but only that he is a BETTER man. That is all we need to make our choice. At least he's not submitting to the wishes and pleasures of the Religious Right. You mentioned reimportation of Canadian drugs. If Republicans aren't against it, then why was it not included in the defective Medicare bill the Republicans are so proud of? Why not save money? Giving in to PhRMA? Pathetic. Anyhow... Clinton didn't unilaterally send the US into war with a country that's never attacked us. (Since you bring it up...) I'm still unclear about WHY we are at war... Bin Laden was the US's baby in the early 80's when we needed Afghanistan to be our ally against Russia, right? So why did the US befriend him then? Bin Laden has been on the top 10 wanted list of the CIA since before Clinton's reign. The US and Iran were great allies. You are CORRECT. The AYATOLLAH was supported by the United States. Oh, didn't know that, did ya? Hmm... still need to do some homework? Yeah, get back to me. The Patriot Act is trash and anyone that has read it in its entirety and does not feel that infringes their RIGHTS AS AMERICANS (read: Bill of Rights), is NOT an American. You need to move to one of those countries where the government spies on people. That's not what America is all about. You ask "what does it matter what they do? why do you care if they look at your emails? what are you hiding? are you a terrorist? What does it matter? Because as an American I have certain rights. One of those is privacy as awarded by 3 different Amendments in our Constitution. Why do I care? Because I want to freely express myself. My thoughts, my business. What am I hiding? EVERYTHING. It's my life. How come people can't purchase "Behold a Pale Horse" without having their names entered in a database? That's a shame. Don't do an internet search of it either... they're tracking that too. I don't want my medical records to be seen. I don't want my phone records to be looked at. Am I terrorist? A terrorist is a person that instills FEAR in others. I don't cause fear in anyone. Come to think of it... the only think I'm afraid of today is the President of the United States... the Media that keeps reminding us what the "Terror Alerts" are... the ignorant politicans that allow the Bill of Rights to be shat upon. FEAR, sir, is the key. YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FEAR... that is YOUR CHOICE. I don't live in fear. When you walk around pissed off at people that hate us for reasons you don't understand, that's YOUR bad.
"Every drug in existence has a chance of seriously screwing with you."
headaches, indigestion, nausea, drowsiness, some do have serious side effects but not ALL of them. and not to the point of cancer.
" The point is, Bush has halted progress on _all stem-cell research_, putting the U.S. far behind other countries when it comes to curing diseases. "
maybe it is because of recent findings in embryonic stem cell research. if it truly does work someo ther coutnry will figure it ourt and we wll know then.
"And take my word for it, Bush isn't putting a stop to it because it caused cancer in lab rats; he's putting a stop to it because it involves destroying fertilized embryos."
i do not know why they have to use embryos why not use somthing from an adult body?
" It's about ethics and religion, not science. If you don't believe me, you might want to do some research on President Bush's Council of Bioethics."
i know he's against it.
"Also, I should point out that your other hero, Reagan, had views opposing Bush's on this. Now that you can't just automatically side with the united views of the Right, maybe you'll actually give the matter some thought."
and hoow owuld you know this? t was his wife that wanted funding for it and ron reagen the second. and of course there are the republicans who disgagree with bush on certain isse take pat buchanan he's against the war, but he ealizes a good leader when he sees one. at the RNC they got DEMCCRATS speaking. the big one i can think of is dem senator from georgia zell miller.
"Because he believes it is morally wrong to destroy a fertilized embryo. He believes it is a sin in God's eyes."
waht kiling babies? i do to.
" Quit pretending like Bush isn't using religion to change and shape American government. If you keep doing so, I will have to start claiming Clinton is a virgin."
he is doing whats best for the people of America.
"God forbid we use the method of stem-cell research has been proven effective overseas."
well explain the lab rats then.
"I can turn this around in a heartbeat. We hate him as much as you love him. The absolute best politician in the world could be opposing him, and you'd still support him."
there is no abo****e best politician there is no such thing.
"I do agree that automatically voting with a party is a dangerous thing...and, ironically, you're doing just that as you tell us all off for opposing a President that there's a million valid reasons not to re-elect."
none of which i recall. i never said your idiots for not saupporting him. i said that you have no reason to oppose him.
"It's extremely easy to say that _anything_ to cut back the CIA is a bad idea, especially in these paranoid times."
oh so are trying to justify his actions because we are in "paranoid times" he did throughout the nineties and there weree no "paranoid times" then.
"However, if you look closely at Kerry's voting record, you'll find that much of what he voted against were unneccessary programs."
unnecessary programs. he voted against funding of the CIA.
"You accuse liberals of always wanting more money for social programs; well, the Right just wants more money for ineffective defense programs."
oh so you mean he voted against defense systems i agree with you there. those "ineffective" defense systems were key in taking down the soviets and oother threats.
"Take the Patriot Act, for instance. Had that been in place before 9/11, it would have saved an estimated 0 lives."
no it wouldnt have. you dont i dont know beucause unfortunatly it wasnt in place before 911.
"Say it with me very carefully: _Sa-ddam Hu-sein was not a ter-ror-ist. Sa-ddam and Al Qae-da had no co-nnec-tion._'
yes he did. i guess you thik it is just a coincidence that al-zarqawi was in the baghdad the same day the war started. i gues you think it a coincidence that several of his top fedayeen agenst were alos prminent members in al qaeda. so and so forth.
"If 1972 is the correct date, then a fire was started in 1972. Bush poured gasoline on it."
sure he did.
"To use an overused quote on this matter, _those who sacrifice security for freedom will ultimately lose both_. I mean, Red, I suppose farsi _could_ be a terrorist. Hell, you _could_ be a terrorist."
they arent going to arrest you for looking at stuff such as porn, and the like.
"Maybe, just to be extra safe, they should lock us all up. This is clearly an exaggeration, but nevertheless, it is the direction things are moving in."
it keeps us safe and thanks to it, and our excellent homeland security dept., we have been able to uproot terrorists here in America.
"It is a bit old, but it's anything but debunked. I personally don't see anything wrong with using an oldie but goodie."
is this the whole oil thing?
"That's a good response. I'll make an equally irrelevant and unsubstantiated one: Bush is a total douchebag."
the differnce betweeen yours and mine is that mine is accurate and your is not.
solid plans. anyone can say "i will ring back our european allies, i will stop pollution, i will do this i will do that" heck if thats all it took I could un for president. the point is he has no plan, no explanation on how he is going to execute all of these things, none at all. if he fulfiled just half of his campaign promises, he'd be spending over 11 trillion dollars.
-----""""They" can watch everything you do because BILL CLINTON signed the Communication Assistance for Law Enforcement Act into law in 1993, which required that telcos provide wiretapping capability."""
Ugh, just don't type anymore. If Bush did that you'd be moaning in orgasmic pleasure about how good it is he's going after terrorists on U.S. soil.
"To see the world in a grain of sand, and heaven in a wild flower. Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour..." -William Blake
quote: correction. he is fror EMBRYONIC stem cell research. and as it is shown in lab rats, it produces cancer. republicans arent against tem cell research just like they are not against druge from canada.
Every drug in existence has a chance of seriously screwing with you. The point is, Bush has halted progress on all stem-cell research, putting the U.S. far behind other countries when it comes to curing diseases. And take my word for it, Bush isn't putting a stop to it because it caused cancer in lab rats; he's putting a stop to it because it involves destroying fertilized embryos. It's about ethics and religion, not science. If you don't believe me, you might want to do some research on President Bush's Council of Bioethics. Also, I should point out that your other hero, Reagan, had views opposing Bush's on this. Now that you can't just automatically side with the united views of the Right, maybe you'll actually give the matter some thought.
quote: religion? how so?
Because he believes it is morally wrong to destroy a fertilized embryo. He believes it is a sin in God's eyes. Quit pretending like Bush isn't using religion to change and shape American government. If you keep doing so, I will have to start claiming Clinton is a virgin.
quote: again i point out that we are against embryonic stem cell research.
God forbid we use the method of stem-cell research has been proven effective overseas.
quote: of course this any lieral answer. it shows their pure and blind hatred for bush. there is no reason to hate him.
I can turn this around in a heartbeat. We hate him as much as you love him. The absolute best politician in the world could be opposing him, and you'd still support him. I do agree that automatically voting with a party is a dangerous thing...and, ironically, you're doing just that as you tell us all off for opposing a President that there's a million valid reasons not to re-elect.
quote: yet kerry votes against and deeply undermines CIA and other intelligence agencies, and then he questions bush as to why it is so bad? how about kerry's 92%
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