What do you think about President Bush using images from 9/11 in his campaign ads?

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As was shown above, the chance of a typical cellphone call from cruising altitude making it to ground and engaging a cellsite there is less than one in a hundred. To calculate the probability that two such calls will succeed involves elementary probability theory. The resultant probability is the product of the two probabilities, taken separately. In other words, the probability that two callers will succeed is less than one in ten thousand. In the case of a hundred such calls, even if a large majority fail, the chance of, say 13 calls getting through can only be described as infinitesimal. In operational terms, this means "impossible."

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9 Test looking at the possibility 13 people could have called out sucessfully during the 9/11 attack.

Wings that should have been sheared off by the impact are entirely absent. There is also substantial evidence of debris from a much smaller, jet-powered aircraft inside the building. We conclude with a high degree of certainty that no Boeing 757 struck the building. We also conclude with a substantial degree of certainty that a smaller, single-engined aircraft, roughly the size and shape of an F-16, did, in fact, strike the building.

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3

Article on what hit the pentagon


Also free speech zone? pfft "Magically make all your protesters, out of site, out of mind." Thats just silly

"Listen: Since you seem to live for the purpose of systematically SHREDDING my posts, how about we start our own thread where you can just abuse my naivette all you want, okay?"

Look, I don't live for abusing you. I already said I don't like attacking people personally. I realized after replying that I might have come off as having some sort of vendetta against you. If that's the case, I apologize (again).

"I am sorry if you 'feel like a jackass,' but considering how stupid you seem to consider me and all my opinions, I'm a bit surprised that you should give the slightest DAMN about what I think or say."

You basically seem like a fairly nice, intelligent person. I just happen to fiercely disagree with what you said. That's why I care about your posts and what you think.

"Now: let's stop taking over this thread with our long-winded rhetorical arguments and let these people talk in peace."

Rhetorical? Well, I don't think so (although the OIL comment was a bit much, as was my response to that). But you're right I don't want to drag on an argument endlessly.

"Your liberal friend (Yes, friend, because people like you and I just LOVE having someone to argue with),"

True.

"And if you think THIS board is degenerating, look at some of the others!

Also true.

Listen: Since you seem to live for the purpose of systematically SHREDDING my posts, how about we start our own thread where you can just abuse my naivette all you want, okay? I am sorry if you "feel like a jackass," but considering how stupid you seem to consider me and all my opinions, I'm a bit surprised that you should give the slightest DAMN about what I think or say. Now: let's stop taking over this thread with our long-winded rhetorical arguments and let these people talk in peace.
Your liberal friend (Yes, friend, because people like you and I just LOVE having someone to argue with),
Catilina
P.S.
And if you think THIS board is degenerating, look at some of the others!

I think that Bush is an all around poopyhead who got smeared across our government.

http://physics911.org/net/index.php

Explain how Bush is not a threat.

"I am no supporter of Kerry. It IS offensive. However, I am of the opinion ANYONE would be better than Bush."

Come on, you're willing to support an indecisive candidate who you don't like? One who voted for a war which he know not too convincingly "opposes?" Are you really that desperate?

"You remember a witch hunt, plain and simple. Did we find Bin Laden? Did we find weapons of mass destruction? Well well. An excellent way for a politician to gain popularity is to incite mass hysteria and then set himself up as a savior. Been used countless times. Hitler being one of the most memorable."

It takes time to find terrorists. Look how long it took us to find Eric Rudolph (and he's a domestic terrorist). As for WMDS: The Clinton administration had compiled intelligence suggesting WMD development. David Kay published a report highlighting the percieved threat posed by Iraq. This was not some cooked-up threat. The claims that WMD development was taking place was based on actual Intel. data, albeit flawed data. And the Hitler comparison is not only cliched.. It's almost a guarantee that this thread is going to go downhill fast. Ever hear about Godwin's Law?

"It has everything to do with the topic. If you fail to see how, take off the rose-colored glasss you wear when looking at Bush."

No, it really doesn’t. All it shows is that you’re willing to concoct half-baked claims that the War in Iraq was based on Oil, which seems rather ridiculous considering that the US government could have just as easily planned a coup in either Iraq or some other much more oil rich country like Venezuela or Saudi Arabia. Or it could have worked out behind the scenes deals with the Ba’athist regime. There were far more subtle and profitable ways to exploit countries.

Anyway, I don’t think Bush is a saint. He’s obviously pandering to seniors and illegal immigrants for one thing. But I’d take him over waffling, boring liberal ideologues like Kerry any day.

“I don't doubt that. He's not smart enough. But when I say Bush, I refer not to that souless puppet but to his admistration. From now, I shall type B.S. (Bush Society) whenever referring to him and his inner circle.”

Well, considering Bush was able to get an MBA at Yale, I’m not quite sure you can dismiss him as that stupid. Anyway, numerous democrats supported the PATRIOT act. Chairman Paul Sarbanes, D-Md for example actually called for some notable “extensions” to the PATRIOT act IIRC.

“Yeah, but the B.S. did.”

True. But I don’t see a problem with keeping crowds away from the President though. I’m much more wary of something like the FCC, an institution that needlessly censors the media and has failed to crack down on monopolies like it should (all with taxpayer money), then I am of Free Speech zones.

“I was probably wrong to post that, as I hadn't actually READ it anywhere, but only overheard it in NUMEROUS discussions between adults, which is probably about as reliable as your average newspaper.”

Well, don’t believe everything you hear. Although it wouldn’t surprise me.

“He's greedy because he started a bloody war for his own gain.”

How? Political? He knew that this was going to pose problems for the US. Economic? He could get oil cheaper and more effectively through other means. He had little to gain in the long run.

“He's short sighted because he and his family, the B.D. (Bush Dynasty) continue blithely drilling for oil and destroying the environment.”

He’s out of the oil business. He’s probably implementing a lot of his policies to appease campaign donors, but then again so does every politician.

“He's dangerous because the two things that do the most damage in this world are evil and ignorance. And damn, he's ignorant!”

No more ignorant than the numerous Europeans who apparently think that the US is “the greatest threat to world peace.” Or the current leadership of the vast majority of the Middle East. Or many people currently in public office, for that matter.

“Now, please calm down! If you think that in insulting Bush I've insulted you, I'm a little concerned about you. I meant no PERSONAL offense, for God's sake! Drink something cool. Lie down for a while. Trust me, you'll feel much better.”

Oh, I don’t take offense at you. I just get a little pissed off having to hear the same garbage and endless leftist rhetoric everyday. “War for oil”, “Bush is stupid,” etc. I’m sure you feel the exact same way when you hear stale arguments from right-wing tools spouting on about sodomy laws, the environment, or how we should de-regulated everything. Anyway, nothing personal here either. Sorry if I overreacted.

“Your Liberal Friend,”

Well, that was nice…

Great, now I feel like a jackass.

The News used images of 9/11 in advertisements millions of times. Where was the uproar then?

Liberals are such cowards, why don't they just confess they just want to give Bush a hard time, they could careless about the victims of 9/11.

I think he is using 9/11 stuff to get more votes!

i think that he shouldnt cause he didnt handle it very well

It's hurting him more than its helping him. It's showing how careless and unsecure our government is and how under his direction a tragic event like semptember 11 is likely to occur.

"How is this any different than Kerry using Vietnam to further his image? Are you aware of the amount of times various nominees and presidents have run similar ads? How is this so offensive, particularly when it's done in a fairly tasteful way?"

I am no supporter of Kerry. It IS offensive. However, I am of the opinion ANYONE would be better than Bush.

"Funny, I seem to remember a little thing called the War on Terror. Also, the War in Afghanistan and the fact that the US is frantically searching for Bin Laden. I could be wrong about this though."

You remember a witch hunt, plain and simple. Did we find Bin Laden? Did we find weapons of mass destruction? Well well. An excellent way for a politician to gain popularity is to incite mass hysteria and then set himself up as a savior. Been used countless times. Hitler being one of the most memorable.

'"It's no coincidence that Operation Iraqi Liberation spells 'O.I.L."

How is this relevant to this topic?'

It has everything to do with the topic. If you fail to see how, take off the rose-colored glasss you wear when looking at Bush.

"Bush never proposed the Patriot Act, he merely supported it."

I don't doubt that. He's not smart enough. But when I say Bush, I refer not to that souless puppet but to his admistration. From now, I shall type B.S. (Bush Society) whenever referring to him and his inner circle.

'"and the charming example of 'Free Speech Zones'"

Again, he never came up with that idea.'

Yeah, but the B.S. did.

"and plans to make prayer in school madatory again."

I was probably wrong to post that, as I hadn't actually READ it anywhere, but only overheard it in NUMEROUS discussions between adults, which is probably about as reliable as your average newspaper.

"It might be good if you gave people reasons why he's so "greedy" and "short sighted." But you know that's just me being a "dangerous, short sighted" Bush supporter."

He's greedy because he started a bloody war for his own gain. He's short sighted because he and his family, the B.D. (Bush Dynasty) continue blithely drilling for oil and destroying the environment. He's dangerous because the two things that do the most damage in this world are evil and ignorance. And damn, he's ignorant!

Now, please calm down! If you think that in insulting Bush I've insulted you, I'm a little concerned about you. I meant no PERSONAL offense, for God's sake! Drink something cool. Lie down for a while. Trust me, you'll feel much better.

Your Liberal Friend,

Catilina

you would think that since Bush is such a "great" president, he wouldnt have to stoop so low as to use the 9/11 images... but who knows, maybe it will come back to help him out, or bite him in the ***.... only time will tell


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"To exploit the righteous emotions of all those who want justice, all who have lost family to the attacks, in his favor..."

How is this any different than Kerry using Vietnam to further his image? Are you aware of the amount of times various nominees and presidents have run similar ads? How is this so offensive, particularly when it's done in a fairly tasteful way?

"let me remind you, he hasn't lifted a finger to find Bin Laden, really, or for anything but his own gain."

Funny, I seem to remember a little thing called the War on Terror. Also, the War in Afghanistan and the fact that the US is frantically searching for Bin Laden. I could be wrong about this though.

"It's no coincidence that Operation Iraqi Liberation spells 'O.I.L."

How is this relevant to this topic? Particularly when you present absolutely nothing to back it up? Generally when you make an accusation like that, you have to give something called "evidence" to support it.

"Meanwhile, he blithely tampers with the constitution in the Patriot act"

Bush never proposed the Patriot Act, he merely supported it. Congress was responsible for the creation and signing into law of the Patriot Act. In fact, numerous Terror laws had already been signed or proposed during the Clinton administration...

"and the charming example of 'Free Speech Zones'"

Again, he never came up with that idea. To the best of my knowledge, he has never put out a statement either supporting it or attacking it. He has however been generally oblivious to protestors, and I don't think he has any intentions of throwing them in jail. Which given the fact that we've had Sedition Laws before in this country, makes him look pretty tame compared to some presidents.

"and plans to make prayer in school madatory again."

Where did you hear about this? I'm kind of curious now...

"Bush is more than cheap. He's dangerous, short-sighted, greedy."

It might be good if you gave people reasons why he's so "greedy" and "short sighted." But you know that's just me being a "dangerous, short sighted" Bush supporter.

Frankly, I wish Bush would live up to his name, make like his slighter larger cousins the trees and "leaf." Okay, all that aside, this is what I think of his campaign ads: Intolerable. To exploit the righteous emotions of all those who want justice, all who have lost family to the attacks, in his favor... let me remind you, he hasn't lifted a finger to find Bin Laden, really, or for anything but his own gain. It's no coincidence that Operation Iraqi Liberation spells "O.I.L." Meanwhile, he blithely tampers with the constitution in the Patriot act and the charming example of "Free Speech Zones" and plans to make prayer in school madatory again. Bush is more than cheap. He's dangerous, short-sighted, greedy.
-Catilina

Why is this suddenly so unacceptable? Presidents have used acts of wars to campaign plenty of times before. FDR did the exact same thing with Pearl Harbor: He visited it; he was photographed near it, etc. All of this was done by him to win in the 1944 presidential race. Kerry has used his Vietnam record to draw support too, even though he testified in 1971 that soldiers had:

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“…raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs ... poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."*

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So please explain to me, why is this suddenly so tasteless? Particularly when this is part of not just Bush's record but our nation’s history?

*Never mind that of course he was in command of troops… Wait, does this mean that he says all of this and didn’t do anything to stop it? Does this mean he did kill or harass innocent people? Or did he just flat out lie? Given that he never provided evidence or names of the individuals he alleged to have committed these crimes, I’m more inclined to think he's just a liar…

I think that Bush should have never started using 9/11 images in his ads..... how would he feel if someone he was close to died in those attacks and every time he saw those ads on t.v. it brought back bad memories of that day????? Its a shame he's still the president of the United States!!!!!


XoXo Timlover17 XoXo (samantha)

I think everyone knows it backfired on him.