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Picture of adamsb
Registered: February 01, 2005
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In a time when teenagers are increasingly alienated by their parents and existing power structures, why do SO MANY of US look to the existing power structures and offer reinforcement and support? This is referring to the social conservatives and the economic liberals, specifically.


"A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it [...] gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself."
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Registered: February 16, 2005
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teens look to the left wing specifically because of the consideration that liberals have for ALL types of people; regardless of thier race, color, creed, etc. Also, most teens are shut up in a conservative style school for seven hours, and they are in desperate need of freedom and liberation from teachers that talk to them, no with them.
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Let those who are less fortunate help themselves---

I'm sure that those words will come back to haunt you some day when you need help from someone else. Compassion is a staple in the human expirience, and your words seem to be lacking just that.


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Originally posted by reactionary:
Let those who are less fortunate help themselves---


How crass.


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Originally posted by Ipperwash:
If it takes a bunch of rebellious teens to make society help out those who are less fortunate then ourselves then so be it.


Let those who are less fortunate help themselves---
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If it takes a bunch of rebellious teens to make society help out those who are less fortunate then ourselves then so be it.


Please don't put your life in the hands, of a rock and roll band, who'll throw it all away - Oasis
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I believe that teens today are rebellious. A majority of their parents are probably conservative; therefore, they are liberal. Simply Enough.
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Canada, although we are a capitalist society, is in almost the same tax bracket that the Netherland countries are in, showing that they are a lot less fragile then you think. What is a capitalist society? freedom for all? or freedom for those who have the capability to make the most money?


Please don't put your life in the hands, of a rock and roll band, who'll throw it all away - Oasis
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Originally posted by Ipperwash:
If you take a look at the top countries in the world to live, Sweden, finland, etc, you'll notice that all of these countries lean towards having a socialist government and economy, and they seem to be doing very well for themselves.


And who's buying the huge number of Sweden and Finland's exports? Certainly not Cuba.

And NuShoes brought up the point of military spending and defense. These countries have between 50% and 70% tax rates. This to me is completely obscene. Thier economies are fragile.


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I find so many teenagers support left parties since we all search for a better way of life for everyone. Once we grow up some find out that lefty parties dont work.
Just in case I am Communist.


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As I said before, the socialist countries that exist in our world today have been put right on top of the best places to live list, along with Canada, which is also capitalist


They also generally have much higher crime rates, less overall freedom (from the point-of-view of an American) and, perhaps by sheer coincidence, leeched off of the United States for their defense. The economies of Europe and possibly Canada could very well collapse in short order if we withdrew our military support, certainly in the case of Europe, since support for modern defense is so expensive and Europe has effectively had us subsidize theirs. It is only with the advent of the EU has it become feasible for Europe to operate a reasonable military defense force of its own.


Liberals prefer equality - all people should be equally poor, unsafe and badly-educated.
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isnt falangist a polictical party?
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Socialism is a good idea at heart. Hopefully it won't evolve into communism.

Hm..already seems to be traveling in that path. Pity.


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Originally posted by Bushsupporter:
Look, a socialist having to defend himself from more radical socialists. This is pretty funy.


Eh? I never said I was socialist, I am actually closer to a falangist than anything else. I am simply intrigued by the idea of a socialist government.


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I am not saying I am against socialism. I actually am involved in a socialist newsgroup, and actually would rather prefer a socialist government to a corrupt capitalist one. I was merely stating the flaws inherent in the system.
Look, a socialist having to defend himself from more radical socialists. This is pretty funy.

I think that "so many youth" look to socialism because they are stupid. How is that for you? They sit in their parents house and get everything for free and don't have to do anything to support themselves and they say, "this is great. The government should be like society's parent and do everything for us." Apart from being stupid this is morally wrong. I don't need a parent once I become a "major" as opposed to a minor. I am an adult making my own desicions and the values of freedom and liberty guiding my path. Socialism takes those away, slowly but surely.


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I am not saying I am against socialism. I actually am involved in a socialist newsgroup, and actually would rather prefer a socialist government to a corrupt capitalist one. I was merely stating the flaws inherent in the system.


I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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As I said before, the socialist countries that exist in our world today have been put right on top of the best places to live list, along with Canada, which is also capitalist, but leans more towards a socialist government. I can honestly say that I enjoy living here and although there can be corruption, like in any government, it isn't majorly hurting society.


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My statement still stands. I am not speaking of a communist government, although what I said applies to that as well. It still happens in a socialist government as well. Do you think that elections are as free as they say? Any government will have corruption. And for a socialist government, it just happens to be more detrimental to society than in a capitalist government, not that a capitalist government is perfect, it has many of its own flaws.


I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Unfortunately this never happens. Inner corruption will always cause a socialist government to lean towards leaching the poorer citizens and benefitting the rich.


I think that you are confusing the term communist with socialist, they are two different government/economies. Yes it is true that communist governments lean towards corruption because communisim opens the door for a dictator, but in a socialist government, elections are as free as a capitalist society's. There is also a lot of free enterprise businesses in socialist countries, but they also make it a point to focus a lot of the money on the needy, and not just big business, as it seems most capitalist countries do.


Please don't put your life in the hands, of a rock and roll band, who'll throw it all away - Oasis
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Originally posted by maharini15:
I think socialism is a nice idea. In it's purest form, everyone just works together for the greater good.


Unfortunately this never happens. Inner corruption will always cause a socialist government to lean towards leaching the poorer citizens and benefitting the rich.


I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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