Another complete and total lack of logic in Kerry's arguments.

Kerry has repeatedly criticized Bush for outsourcing jobs overseas.

But Kerry has also repeatedly not allowing foreign drugs to be imported into the U.S., protective U.S. pharaceutical makers.

So, why does Kerry support outsourcing some jobs and not others?

Kerry says Bush outsourced jobs.

Kerry says Bush should have allowed foreign drug imports, effectively outsourcing those jobs to foreign manufacturers.

Therefore, Kerry is a hypocrite who supports outsourcing.

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Again your original statement didn't support that; that’s all my intention was for my initial post.

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Yes, it did clearly indicate that Kerry supports outsourcing the jobs of American pharmaceutical workers.

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Bull, simply reading my initial post made it perfectly clear that I was dissecting your delivery and nothing more.

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You have a funny way of dissection. Anyone reading my post knows that I was saying that Kerry is for outsourcing certain jobs.

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Furthermore your admittance of error in your initial comment proves my point. I was asking you to rephrase it because conceptually it made no sense due to your delivery.
I will explain it again what I was getting at

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Ok, sorry, I get your point. But you seem to have missed or at least glossed over mine. Here is the post as it should have been, to your exact liking:

Another complete and total lack of logic in Kerry's arguments.

Kerry has repeatedly criticized Bush for outsourcing jobs overseas.

But Kerry has also repeatedly criticized Bush for not allowing foreign drugs to be imported into the U.S., claiming Bush is protecting U.S. pharmaceutical makers.

So, why does Kerry support outsourcing some jobs and not others?

Do you have an answer to this, the point I was trying to make?

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It makes perfect sense, although logic, like facts, are like kryptonite to the left.

Kerry says Bush outsourced jobs.

Kerry says Bush should have allowed foreign drug imports, effectively outsourcing those jobs to foreign manufacturers.

Therefore, Kerry is a hypocrite who supports outsourcing.

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Again your original statement didn't support that; that’s all my intention was for my initial post. You can try and manipulate and misconstrue to feed your political/personal problems all you want but the simple fact is you are completely taking a simple constructive criticism way out of context.

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Well, first, I re-wrote part of a sentence without deleting the old part.

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And that’s why I was asking you to rewrite it so I could see what you really meant without assuming. The only reason I haven't addressed your revised verision is because you are simply miscontruing my intial post and I refuse to allow you to twist it into something its not. You're misconstruing this whole thing.

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We've all done that, and I'm sure I can find posts of you doing the same.

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I never said I didn’t (case and point of you taking anything directed toward you as a personal attack).

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In any case, your "productive criticism" was anything but, and, knowing you, was not intended to be so.

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Bull, simply reading my initial post made it perfectly clear that I was dissecting your delivery and nothing more.

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Moreover, your criticism is completely devoid of any logic, other than the usual liberal retreats like "jack ***".

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No the problem is you seem to always take something as a personal attack. Furthermore your admittance of error in your initial comment proves my point. I was asking you to rephrase it because conceptually it made no sense due to your delivery.
I will explain it again what I was getting at
Your initial post read:
Kerry has repeatedly criticized Bush for outsourcing jobs overseas.
But Kerry has also repeatedly not allowing foreign drugs to be imported into the U.S., protective U.S. pharaceutical makers.
So, why does Kerry support outsourcing some jobs and not others?The statement in bold does not agree with the statement in italics, your rhetorical question, because of the word not. The statement in bold says Kerry doesn't support outsourcing because of the word not. Now your rhetorical question,(the one in italics) which implies Kerry supports outsourcing, is in direct disagreement with your evidence(the part in bold). Again the only intention of my original post was to point out this error so you could rephrase it.

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NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID REFUTES MY ORIGINAL POST! Nor have you presented any logic to the contrary, other than to say, "that makes no sense". But you have not offered reason, facts, or logical arguments to refute the fact the John Kerry supports outsourcing.

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BECAUSE IT WASN"T MY GODAMN INTENTIONS TO REFUTE YOUR POINT. This simple reason I WASN'T trying to refute your point in your initial post was because YOU did it YOURSELF. I was asking you to rephrase so it would not be contradictory so I could understand what you mean and then respond to it. Stop trying to change this to a political debate when my initial intentions weren’t political in nature.

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Originally posted by djmagnusa:

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This either proves that liberals are completely incapable of thinking, or that you don't understand basic economics.

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Save the political posturing, it really makes you look like a jack ***.

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It's a valid point, lemming. Kerry has contradicted himself. Flip-flopped again, if you will.

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Look at your original statement, it makes absolutely no sense.

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It makes perfect sense, although logic, like facts, are like kryptonite to the left.

Kerry says Bush outsourced jobs.

Kerry says Bush should have allowed foreign drug imports, effectively outsourcing those jobs to foreign manufacturers.

Therefore, Kerry is a hypocrite who supports outsourcing.

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As I have said this statement is the exact opposite of what your implying with your rhetorical question; which is "So, why does Kerry support outsourcing some jobs and not others?"

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Read the above. Kerry wants foreign drugs to be sold in the U.S., partially or full replacing market demand which (supposedly, if you believe Kerry) can now only be satisfied by American-made pharmaceuticals.

There is one possibility in which you and Kerry might be correct: If foreign drug manufacturers fly America factory workers to France, Germany, etc. before the morning shift and fly them back home at the end of the work day, then you could possibly argue that allowing imported drugs does not outsource American jobs. Otherwise, what Kerry is supporting does just that.

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The part that is in bold, while grammatically horrible, also implies that Kerry doesn't support outsourcing; in particular the use of word not. While I assumed your repost is what you meant I wanted to be fair and give you chance to rephrase your sentence to where it actually made sense.Once again you take productive criticism and interpret it as an attack.

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Well, first, I re-wrote part of a sentence without deleting the old part. We've all done that, and I'm sure I can find posts of you doing the same. In any case, your "productive criticism" was anything but, and, knowing you, was not intended to be so. Moreover, your criticism is completely devoid of any logic, other than the usual liberal retreats like "jack ***".

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I see the posturing and manipulation continues but it is not surprising that you would change this to an insult contest.

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Here's the bottom line:
NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID REFUTES MY ORIGINAL POST! Nor have you presented any logic to the contrary, other than to say, "that makes no sense". But you have not offered reason, facts, or logical arguments to refute the fact the John Kerry supports outsourcing.

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This either proves that liberals are completely incapable of thinking, or that you don't understand basic economics.

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Save the political posturing, it really makes you look like a jack ***.

Look at your original statement, it makes absolutely no sense.

Another complete and total lack of logic in Kerry's arguments.
Kerry has repeatedly criticized Bush for outsourcing jobs overseas.
But Kerry has also repeatedly not allowing foreign drugs to be imported into the U.S., protective U.S. pharaceutical makers.

As I have said this statement is the exact opposite of what your implying with your rhetorical question; which is "So, why does Kerry support outsourcing some jobs and not others?"
The part that is in bold, while grammatically horrible, also implies that Kerry doesn't support outsourcing; in particular the use of word not. While I assumed your repost is what you meant I wanted to be fair and give you chance to rephrase your sentence to where it actually made sense.Once again you take productive criticism and interpret it as an attack.

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Do I need to simplify it even more?

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I see the posturing and manipulation continues but it is not surprising that you would change this to an insult contest.

This either proves that liberals are completely incapable of thinking, or that you don't understand basic economics.

Let me explain:

Kerry has criticized Bush for outsourcing. In other words, allowing companies to move jobs overseas, where they can be done cheaper - jobs that would have gone to American workers, right? If you have a different definition of outsourcing, please elaborate. Please make sure that Kerry explains this new definition to the public sometime before next week, as well.

Okay, at any rate, Kerry supports allowing foreign-made pharmaceuticals into the U.S., ostensibly because they're cheaper. That means people will buy the cheaper pharmaceuticals, which means more money for those overseas manufacturers. At the same time, the money that would have gone to American manufacturers will not, instead going to the aforementioned overseas manufacturers. Which means fewer AMERICAN workers will need to be employed by our present pharmaceutical manufacturers.

Do I need to simplify it even more?

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posted October 24, 2004 10:37 PM
Another complete and total lack of logic in Kerry's arguments.

Kerry has repeatedly criticized Bush for outsourcing jobs overseas.

But Kerry has also repeatedly not allowing foreign drugs to be imported into the U.S., protective U.S. pharaceutical makers.

So, why does Kerry support outsourcing some jobs and not others?

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I'm sorry but this question makes no sense. It in effect contradicts itself; particularly this part "also repeatedly not allowing foreign drugs to be imported into the U.S." As it stands the rhetorical question doesn't coincide with the basis for your rhetorical question. Please rewrite your post.

Because what you said does not fit together.

Try answering the question, not dodging it.

According to sources, he still won the debate.