Have any of you heard the crap these religious rights consevatives want to do with the ***** school system?
1. In school prayer
How ignorent is pushing your religion on an entire school the whole point of living in America is that we can practice any religon or, none at all. Personally I'd refuse to pray at school. I'd get expelled first.
2. Cut out Sex Ed
I know it's not very fun to take but it is important that we know that sort of stuff and, if the conservatives don't want their kids to take it then they should sign the stupid waiver.
3. Teacheing Creation in science instead of Evolution
I'm sorry, but I believe science over the bible which, may I remind you was technically written by a person. How do we know it's not completly made up. At least scientists have evidence supporting evolution.
Oh yeah one more thing, they don't have to make public schools like this, hello, if you want your kid in a school like this, send them to a privite school, it's what they're made for.

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They say it every day without thinking about it or what it means (if they can even comprehend it).

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In the 6th grade my homeroon teacher (a 35-40 yr old woman) always said "individual" where "indivisible" should have gone, thus illustrating the fact that the pledge is utterly meaningless and thoughtless to most people.

You'll notice that the biotch left out the l in public in her original post... hence it was bleeped out.


Annnnnnnyway...
I don't know that it brainwashes us into not questioning the government... if that were true then I wouldn't be questioning it as I used to say the pledge every damn day.

I do have a slight problem with how it is presented. It is given to small children as a kind of chant. They say it every day without thinking about it or what it means (if they can even comprehend it). I realized this in 4th grade at an assembly... my 3rd grade teacher always had us sing "o say can you see?" or some such song right after the pledge... we were so used to it that half of the 4th graders started to sing it after our school finished the pledge. I stopped saying it in highschool... when I do I usually leave out the "the flag" and "under god" parts... I honestly have no problem with the rest. Although last year when we went to war myself and several of my classmates sat facing away from the flag during an assembly... they too used to say the pledge and somehow managed to stop with sheer willpower.

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If you go to pub**L**ic school then you can't be expelled for praying or any other form of religious ritual. There's nothing wrong with saying "under god" either, just as there's nothing wrong with leaving out two words or the whole thing.

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I don't think they should have the pledge at any schools. I find it to be systematic brainwash so no one will question the government.

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pub**L**ic

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I'd get expelled first.

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If you go to pub**L**ic school then you can't be expelled for praying or any other form of religious ritual. There's nothing wrong with saying "under god" either, just as there's nothing wrong with leaving out two words or the whole thing.

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2. Cut out Sex Ed
I know it's not very fun to take but it is important that we know that sort of stuff and, if the conservatives don't want their kids to take it then they should sign the stupid waiver.

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you said it... rito said it: your kid doesn't have to take it. obviously if it were something no child should be hearing, then so many parents would not be signing the forms

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Teacheing Creation in science instead of Evolution

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They can teach creation... in a theology class. For creation to be taught in a biology class, it would have to be tied into evolution... this would show the obvious correlations between the two and make many seperatists mad.

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if you want your kid in a school like this, send them to a privite school, it's what they're made for

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not everyone can afford private schools and not every child is capable of performing well in them. every child should feel welcome at a public school.

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Like Korith said, evolution is a theory

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Mmmm.... not really. The only people still insisting this are those who can easily ignore things like the fossil reccord and scientific tests. Those who don't listen to you the first five times you tell them why we aren't decendants of monkeys. I turn you all, once again, to the first half of "Cosmos" by Sagan. Enjoy.

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One nation under allah... how does that sound to you?

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Catchy.

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1. In school prayer

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As long as they don't force anyone to do it, and it's not interfering with the child's education, I think it's fine.

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Pray on your own time. School is for learning if you want to pray in school do it at home or go to a private catholic school. That's why they made private schools.

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Why should a little kid be suspended for praying before he eats in the cafeteria? This is the kind of stuff that actually happens in public schools today. It's gone far beyond protecting the rights of atheists. And anyway, since when do atheists have the inherant right to never have to hear another person's religious beliefs? I listen to my family pray before every meal we eat. It doesn't offend me, because they are not violating my rights, as the ACLU might claim.

If you cover the Christian creation myth, then you must also cover the creation myth of every other religion and country, including the Finnish creation myth wherein the universe comes out of a duck egg. Because, you see, that's just as feasible as the Christian creation myth.

"1. In school prayer"
As long as they don't force kids to pray, I don't see the big deal about letting someone pray in school. They're not hurting anyone.

"2. Cut out Sex Ed"
Don't want you kid to take the class? Don't sign the permission slip. It's really very simple...

"3. Teacheing Creation in science instead of Evolution"
Like Korith said, evolution is a theory. The reason it's taught and not creation though is that it is the scientific theory and the secular one...I think they should cover both to some degree so everyone has an idea of what they are.

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Heh, the idea amuses me a bit.. just to see how people would react. Alright. I'll admit, that would make me think, "What the hell is going on in Washington?" I mean, it would be kind of.. out of the blue.

Indulge me. When they introduced the "under God" phrase in the 1950's, was it well-recieved?

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One nation under allah... how does that sound to you?

Personally, I couldn't care LESS about the "under God" issue. I think that sometimes, the atheists can be so *******ed ANAL about the subject that they become pr|cks themselves. I mean, who cares.. It's not like your kid is going to suddenly come running home with the urge to go to church.

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How ignorent is pushing your religion on an entire school the whole point of living in America is that we can practice any religon or, none at all. Personally I'd refuse to pray at school. I'd get expelled first.

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To the evangelists, it isn't ignorance. They are doing us a favor by converting.. or trying to.. convert us. But that's not to say I enjoy being pressured by bible-pushers. And why can't you type more coherently? Isn't it enough that you already have the most annoying handle on the forum? God, at least learn how to use punctuation or something.

-- bloodylogos
"Get away from me."

I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.

Okay, so here is my deal with the whole "under God" thing in the pledge.

1. Its not even all that traditional. The phrase was added in the 1950's during the communist scare in order to declare ourselves a Christian (and therefore non-communist) nation.
2. I know that it is not mandatory to say the pledge, but when you are five years old you are highly susceptible to influence. In school you hear the pledge repeated everyday, and daily we are drilling into childrens heads that this is a nation under God. It is a brainwashing technique and it bothers me.
3. The "under God" phrase in the pledge is an outright violation of the separation of church and state. Period.

Why do people rate their own threads? It's so annoying and conceited.

When I argue Prayer in school, it is for the right for an individual to pray whenever they please. There are many kids in my Youth group who have been asked /told to stop praying in school, because it is offensive to the Atheist students.

Pray on your own time. School is for learning if you want to pray in school do it at home or go to a private catholic school. That's why they made private schools.

Again, when I argue this I am not trying to force everyone too, but I believe some kids should have to right to be exempt from Sex Ed, if the parent doesn't want them taking the coarse.

If you don't want to participate in Sex ed your parents sign the waiver and you don't take it. At least that's how we do it in California.

The Pledge of Allegiance isn't a force of religion on anyone, it's like the same thing as saying the National Anthem before a sports game. It's called a tradition. geez, know your American History. THe whole constitituion/ Declaration of Independence was based on Puritanistic Ideals and from the ENGLIGHTENMENT ideas from the FRENCH!

as odd as it may sound I don't have a problem with the words under god in the pledge. I DO have a problem with the Religious Right Activists.

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How ignorent is pushing your religion on an entire school

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Hmm, that's not the argument I am trying to make.

When I argue Prayer in school, it is for the right for an individual to pray whenever they please. There are many kids in my Youth group who have been asked /told to stop praying in school, because it is offensive to the Atheist students.

Now who is forcing what?

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Cut out Sex Ed

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Again, when I argue this I am not trying to force everyone too, but I believe some kids should have to right to be exempt from Sex Ed, if the parent doesn't want them taking the coarse.

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Teacheing Creation in science instead of Evolution

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Well, for one evolution is a theory, not a proven fact.
Two, I have no problem with this, and I know many other who don't either. People will believe what they want.

MLB, why don't you stop being so narrow-minded.
Jesus always said practice what you preach, if you don't ant people to be so narrow-minded, then don't be narrow-minded.