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Registered: August 30, 2003
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People are always saying how awesome it is that we have democracies in North America. But do we really? I don't think we do. Democracies are supposed to be for the people by the people; societies governing themselves. I think we've totally corrupted the idea of representative democracy and all we do is elect dictators who do whatever they want once in office. Plus, in a democracy, you should be allowed to speak and protest freely and peacefully without being arrested. In a democracy, everyone is supposed to have an equal say, but how is that possible when books, TV and film are banned and censored and the media is privately owned? What are people's thoughts about this?
An eye for an eye makes the world blind
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Registered: August 30, 2003
Posts: 125
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representative democracy=the Republic
okay, I finally looked it up and for some reason I was thinking that a republic just meant an independent nation as opposed to something along the lines of a colony. don't ask me why. quote:
You cannot have a true democracy in a nation that has more than a few thousand people, and thus everyone gets a personal voice on topics
True, it's unrealistic to have no reps and have every single person vote en masse, but you can get closer to giving people individual voice than we get now. Like I said before, look to AA. It's huge, it has way more than a few thousand people but there are different levels of governing bodies all leading back to community groups that unanimously agree on stuff and send someone to the next level to represent their interests. If that second-level group doesn't agree, or new information comes up, then the rep goes back to the original group and they talk about it again until all levels agree. (In a country as big as the US there would need to be about six levels.) It's worked for 70 years. The way things are set up now, our reps don't have to represent us in decision-making, they make the decisions for us whether we agree or not. Granted, protestors sometimes influence decisions. But not always. Look at the war in Iraq. We give them too much power and there's no way for us to take a bit of it back until the next election rolls along.
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Registered: October 06, 2004
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representative democracy-every person gets to vote for leaders to represent their interests.
representative democracy=the Republic Why do people hang on the word "democracy?" You cannot have a true democracy in a nation that has more than a few thousand people, and thus everyone gets a personal voice on topics. In the true democracy, every single person has the chance and the obligation to hold a political office at least once. Nothing like that in this nation, because we are a Republic, modeled on the Roman Republic, which also had Senators and Represetitives in the Forum.
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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Registered: August 30, 2003
Posts: 125
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Okay, Wildcreature, Suppose there is not something like religion, as it is assumed in secular states. Therefore, there is not any measure to show what is good and what is bad. Thus, for an individual, good will be something toward his/her personal interest and bad will be something against it.
bella, we're saying the same thing here. quote:
Assume there is a very strong group in a country, against whom no one can resist. The results is obvious: they will take control. When it is against their interest, They won't respect any laws and rights, like all dictators in the world. It doesn't matter who they are and how they take the power. In fact even a president who has 90 percent of the votes is a potentioal dictator. So what do you think now?
I think you have a good point. But I still think that if government is based on compromise and equal representation instead of majority wins--i.e. when every single person's views are taken seriously and concensus is attempted--you minimize the risk of dictatorship and oppression, even if you can never eliminate it. Acoholics Anonymous, an international organization with as much diversity in it's members as you can think of, has been successfully governing itself using concensus government since the 1930's. quote:
US is a constitutional republic
Yes, the US is a constitutional goverment, but it's also a representative democracy-every person gets to vote for leaders to represent their interests.
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Registered: October 06, 2004
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OUR?!?!? THE ****ING HELL I WILL BE COMPARED TO THE UNITED STATES!!!!!
I am deeply sorry for that.
Your economy, is not my economy. You are an American, I am a Russian.
As a foriegner, you do not know the sublies of the english language. Our could mean My (the Royal Third Person), Our's (yours and Mine,) and ours, meaning a group of people that includes myself. And if you are so anti-american, why are you on an american-dominated website? And, in our nation's defence, at least our nation isn't the backwater of the western world...*cough cough*
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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Registered: November 20, 2004
Posts: 277
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Originally posted by redrepublican:
there were polls done on the crowd on a variety of subjects ranging from teh war in iraq andthe war in Afghanistan.
most believed that the attacks on our troops were legitimate and they believed that the war in Afghanistan was wrong.
Proof...? |
Registered: November 26, 2004
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So our economy has been failing for almost 400 years, right?
OUR?!?!? THE ****ING HELL I WILL BE COMPARED TO THE UNITED STATES!!!!! I am deeply sorry for that. Your economy, is not my economy. You are an American, I am a Russian.
Hello, I am the President of Russia. No, I am not the Anti-Christ.
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Registered: October 06, 2004
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Democracy has made my country's economy fade.
My mission in my country is to slowly bring back Communism.
So our economy has been failing for almost 400 years, right? And we never had communism, you you cannot "bring it back" America is a post-democratic society. It is spiraling gradually into despotism.
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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My mission in my country is to slowly bring back Communism
are you seriuous, or can you just not think for yourself? |
Registered: November 25, 2004
Posts: 27
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Democracy has made my country's economy fade. My mission in my country is to slowly bring back Communism.
No, I am not the Anti-Christ.
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Registered: July 26, 2004
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Democracy is just a side-effect of a very simple process, the only real rule of nature, the rule of primitive jungles: survival of the fittest. This is reality. It is enough to look around and see democratic states and their leaders. If they are not evils, they are not saints either. Duh. Okay, Wildcreature, Suppose there is not something like religion, as it is assumed in secular states. Therefore, there is not any measure to show what is good and what is bad. Thus, for an individual, good will be something toward his/her personal interest and bad will be something against it. Assume there is a very strong group in a country, against whom no one can resist. The results is obvious: they will take control. When it is against their interest, They won't respect any laws and rights, like all dictators in the world. It doesn't matter who they are and how they take the power. In fact even a president who has 90 percent of the votes is a potentioal dictator. So what do you think now?
Evitere Les Contrefacons.
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Registered: March 08, 2004
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Originally posted by redrepublican:
most believed that the attacks on our troops were legitimate
In a sense, they were. We invaded their country and attempted to impose a new style of life upon them that many of them did not agree with. Were they supposed to just sit there and take it? Not to mention, of course, that we killed their soldiers as well. In my opinion, the murders are wrong on both sides of the war, but when it comes to war, two wrongs arguably do make an okay. |
Registered: November 29, 2003
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there were polls done on the crowd on a variety of subjects ranging from teh war in iraq andthe war in Afghanistan.
most believed that the attacks on our troops were legitimate and they believed that the war in Afghanistan was wrong.
We've been through this before, red. Do you have proof, or are you going to make false claims and run away like you have done so many times before? quote:
they do have a say. they elect leaders. but some leaders (Specter, Panzer, Jeffords, Clinton), they pretend to beone thing adn tehn when they are elected do the exact opposite.
My goodness you have awful typing skills. And no grammar whatsoever. Pretend to be one thing and act like another? Can you give an example for this, particularily with Clinton? Bush is the one always saying he is a Godly man, but in a general sense, republicans are the anti-poor, anti-union, pro-corporation, pro-Wal Mart types. That doesn't sound very godly to me. And the death penalty- thats a very godly thing. There is nothing God loves better than non-forgiveness. And guns!! God loves guns. God loves street murders and everything else that comes with guns, because there is nothing God loves more than feeding the ego. But Bush says hes a Godly man, so it must be true. Bushism of the day: "We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans." —George W. Bush, Scranton, Pa., Sept. 6, 2000
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated," p.60, "1984," by George Orwell
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Registered: June 04, 2004
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"Just wondering, why do you say they are insane?" there were polls done on the crowd on a variety of subjects ranging from teh war in iraq andthe war in Afghanistan. most believed that the attacks on our troops were legitimate and they believed that the war in Afghanistan was wrong. "i agree, but who gets to be in charge of what the rules are and how they are enforced? in a democracy everyone should have an equal say in making and enforcing and changing the rules and that doesn't happen right now." they do have a say. they elect leaders. but some leaders (Specter, Panzer, Jeffords, Clinton), they pretend to beone thing adn tehn when they are elected do the exact opposite.
Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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Registered: March 09, 2004
Posts: 701
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Plus, the US is a democratic republic.
No, the US is a constitutional republic. Democracys don't work, tyranny of the majority will always break them apart. |
Registered: August 30, 2003
Posts: 125
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We live in a republic.
The US is a republic, but Canada isn't and I said North America. Plus, the US is a democratic republic. quote:
because if everyone will just do anything what they want, then there would be chaos and misunderstanding and such
I'm not talking about being able to do whatever you want. I'm talking about being allowed to say whatever you want. Write whatever you want. It's better to have someone saying that in their opinion somebody or something is bad or wrong or evil than to have them throwing bricks through people's windows. If you don't let people speak freely, they find other ways to express themselves. Plus, it's better to know what's going on in the minds of people you percieve to be wrong or dangerous than to be unaware of what people are thinking and planning in secret. quote:
In a democracy, you must know that you will only be free if what you are speaking or doing can benefit for the good of you and for others too and not something that can harm other people.
But who gets to decide what's good and what will harm other people? Those things aren't universally agreed upon and the only way to make it fair is to allow everyone a chance to have their say and to disagree with each other. It's not freedom of speech if people aren't allowed to say certain things. quote:
even in democray there needs to be rules and rules
i agree, but who gets to be in charge of what the rules are and how they are enforced? in a democracy everyone should have an equal say in making and enforcing and changing the rules and that doesn't happen right now.
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Registered: November 20, 2004
Posts: 277
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during the RNC. when we had all of this insane and i mean insane people protesting my Pres.
Just wondering, why do you say they are insane? |
Registered: June 04, 2004
Posts: 3535
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even in democray there needs to be rules and rules, laws are based on morals. if you do not have rules you ve the exact opposite of a democracy. maybe exact oposite but close to. Anarchy. as far as protesting goes. no one is stoping that. we saw that during the RNC. when we had all of this insane and i mean insane people protesting my Pres.
Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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Registered: June 04, 2004
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i rather dislike carer politicians. but hat can be said of about every politician. i dont believe that that was what teh Founding Fathers wanted. it wasnt suposed to be a job in a sense but a civic duty and i dont believe many politicians look at ti that way.
Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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Registered: June 28, 2003
Posts: 2745
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Plus, in a democracy, you should be allowed to speak and protest freely and peacefully without being arrested. In a democracy, everyone is supposed to have an equal say, but how is that possible when books, TV and film are banned and censored and the media is privately owned?
Yes... what you have said is true. But dont you think that just because you have democracy, you can just speak freely and do anything as you wish to do?? There are, what we call rules and laws... and there is also what we call TOLERANCE... because if everyone will just do anything what they want, then there would be chaos and misunderstanding and such. There should be limits when it comes to democracy because you cant just speak or do things that are not too good or whatever. In a democracy, you must know that you will only be free if what you are speaking or doing can benefit for the good of you and for others too and not something that can harm other people. |
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