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Picture of marine16
Registered: February 22, 2002
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I believe there is a difference between abortion and the death penalty.

A person getting the death penalty committed a crime.

An unborn child has never committed a crime.

What do you guys think?


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Registered: November 27, 2004
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Hey I did too, I was shocked when they told me.


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Originally posted by Maya:
Actually prison would do just what you're saying, AND cost less money. Apparently because of the whole appeal system and all that it costs more to give someone the death penalty than to give them prison for life.

Ha. For some reason I always thought that it would cost more money to keep them alive in prison. Live and learn.


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I've never really thought of the death penalty is a punishment, so much as it is a preventive measure to stop the person from killing again.. and that it is the government's way of disposing of a human being whom, they have deemed, is a complete waste of resources and should no longer be kept alive.

Actually prison would do just what you're saying, AND cost less money. Apparently because of the whole appeal system and all that it costs more to give someone the death penalty than to give them prison for life.


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Registered: January 15, 2006
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I've never really thought of the death penalty is a punishment, so much as it is a preventive measure to stop the person from killing again.. and that it is the government's way of disposing of a human being whom, they have deemed, is a complete waste of resources and should no longer be kept alive.

So if a woman is getting an abortion because she doesn't want a baby and thinks that it would be a waste of her time and money, then the death penalty and the abortion would be the same in the sense that it's really not about the fellon or the baby, but everyone else.

Personally, I think abortion is wrong and I'm not sure where I stand on the death penalty. *shrugs*


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Registered: April 20, 2007
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I belive that abortion is murder! shedding of inocent blood!
That baby has NO WAY what so ever of deffending itself!!! Both are wrong in God's eyes and both will be judged in the end.
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Registered: March 30, 2007
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Alright, I’ll throw my two cents into this fourm:

Abortion: take out ALL religious ideas (i.e. it’s a baby at conception) and personal moral and look at it completely medically. An abortion is a medical procedure to remove the embryo (it is rare to remove a partially developed fetus). Pro-choice means that women have the right to the safest medical procedure available. Not all women who get abortions are crack heads or teenage whores- it has nothing to do with them being immoral. Morality is a reflection of personal philosophy and deferrers for each person.

Now death penalty is different. The death penalty is given ONLY to people who have committed murder in a hanus way (i.e. cruel and unusually treatment before such as rape or someone who has committed several murders.) When someone is sentence to death, they usually sit on death row for many years (unless it is fast tracked) and they get many chances for appeal. There have been several cases where people on death row were innocent or mentally retarded or minors.

The difference between abortion and the death penalty is that abortion is a medical procedure and the death penalty is capital punishment. As a capital punishment, morality does come into play. I personally don’t believe in the death penalty because I don’t believe that man should kill man. They way I personally view the death penalty is that if we (the state) kill a man, we are murdering him. I don’t believe in that but, I have never had someone close to me be murdered and my view might changed if, god forbid, that every happened.

To make a long story short: No, abortion and the death penalty are NOT the same.


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Registered: April 02, 2007
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you can't put abortion against death whats wrong with you they are the same thing look at the criminals in prison if you agree with abortion you are no better then them and its the same with the death penalty it is Wrong and it should be treated as WRONG ya in todays world not everything is going okay but stick up for yourself stick up for your opinion and one day maybe and most likely you will make a big difference in life like most kids want to do


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Registered: September 29, 2004
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This thread is old. Me? Pro-choice, pro-Death Penalty.


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Most of those fetuses born to crack head moms end up commiting crimes, that.... indirectly effect you! think of that, higher taxes to pay for more cops, the court system, the DA's, the public defenders, the jails, wellfare, medicare, soup kitchens, molested kids, raped moms, the broken windows and car stereos you need to replace.

How about stopping the problem before it starts.

If youre going to be against abortion because its "murder" or imorral, you are most likely basing that belif from the bible. Jesus would never kill anyone, so if abortion is wrong and made illegal, so should killing any human. War would be illegal.


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You spell like hooked on phonics almost worked for you.


No joke. And look at the name. Someone sure is quite "confused"...


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Registered: March 13, 2002
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Ok so the fetus hasn't commited a crime, so what? I don't ever think I've heard anyone pro-choice say that the fetus has commited a crime, therefore deserves to be killed.


I think he's getting at the point that there are a lot of people out there who rip on conservatives for being "hypocritical" because they opposed abortion but support the death penalty. They're two different situations, but some people don't realize that.


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You spell like hooked on phonics almost worked for you.


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u ppl have some stupid poll questions!!!
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well, it is pretty similiar I think. They are both getting kill, and who know, the baby might be a recarnation of some dude who is a serial killer and got away from the death penalty and like old.


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I know this is old and all and I haven't seen Marine on in a while but whatever, I'm bored and feel like responding.

I honestly don't get your point marine, I'm kind of stoned and not really getting what you're trying to point out(I'd appreciate an explanation, anyone!).

Ok so the fetus hasn't commited a crime, so what? I don't ever think I've heard anyone pro-choice say that the fetus has commited a crime, therefore deserves to be killed. No that's not why people agree with abortion. I believe abortion should be a womans choice basically because it's her body(no one should be able to force her to have a kid, or go through nine months of pregnancy), and her fucking life we're talking about. The fetus to me is not the equivalent to the woman carrying it. It does not have the same right as her. It depends completely on her and no one else. (so don't give me the lame response about how lots of people depend on others so should they be killed), and they're other reasons I'm not going to get into now because well, it could take hours and they're abortion threads for that.

The death penalty I disagree with because A)I don't agree with the whole "an eye for an eye" thing, I think that's prehistoric and B)I think mistakes cannot be commited when talking about someone's life(like they give someone the death penalty and years after he/she's dead they discover he/she was in fact innocent) and C)death to me seems like less of a punishment than a life sentence.

So I don't see how abortion and the death penalty are the same.

Seriously I have this feeling I'm missing the whole point of this thread so anyone feel free to explain.


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Registered: October 22, 2005
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I dont understand how the death penalty and abortion are the same at all.


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Wow. I was waiting for this one.


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Abortion is a thing that depends on the case, they're all different. A serial killer, the same thing.


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