Think about it. Think about the "butterfly" ballots in Florida. It's so easy to steal an election when there are no standardized ballots. Is this REALLY obvious, or is it just me?

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Ah, I've heard people talking about retinal scans and whatnot. And remember how touchy those standardized tests were? I can imagine all sorts of problems that involved unintentional marks. The old lever voting machines seem more reliable to me.

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Really, retinal scans? that IS scary. But I did a debate on this subject for school - if you look at the statistics, opt-scan machines are the most reliable voting system.

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I was referring to the fact that certain parts of the Constitution have always been interpreted or tweaked or ignored. Hence the "under god" in the pledge. It has to do with the Constitution's interpretation.

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Well, the seperation of church and state has always been a sticky issue. The Constitution does not mention this seperation directly. State ballots are really a different sort of issue.

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erm...okay, the opt-scan machines I'm talking about are just called that. technically, you fill in a little bubble, just like you do on standardized tests. none of that retinal-scanning business.

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Ah, I've heard people talking about retinal scans and whatnot. And remember how touchy those standardized tests were? I can imagine all sorts of problems that involved unintentional marks. The old lever voting machines seem more reliable to me.

"This of course, exludes anyone with eye damage. Not to mention cost, reliablity issues, and the fact that the government would have to have a national registry of our retinal scans. Now that's freaking scary."

erm...okay, the opt-scan machines I'm talking about are just called that. technically, you fill in a little bubble, just like you do on standardized tests. none of that retinal-scanning business.

"The insertion of "under God" in the pledge had nothing to do with amendmending the the constitution."

I was referring to the fact that certain parts of the Constitution have always been interpreted or tweaked or ignored. Hence the "under god" in the pledge. It has to do with the Constitution's interpretation.

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but it is a stae's right. the format of the ballot is left to the state. and it should be left that way.

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This is true. You see, national and local elections are often held on the same ballot, or on the same voting machine. To issue a national standardized ballot would be interfering with local elections. We're now talking about modifying the Bill of Rights here. Not just any old amendment.

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I am positive that conservatives would be obsessing about this topic if Al Gore had stolen the election rather than Bush.

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See, the election was not stolen in any sense. Local and national laws were upheld, including the constitution. There should be no issue. It doesn't matter which side benifited. The fact is, the constitution was upheld. The electoral college was there for a reason.

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If it wasn't, there would be no "under God" in the pledge of allegiance (it was added well after the Pledge was written) because of the separation of church and state.

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The insertion of "under God" in the pledge had nothing to do with amendmending the the constitution.

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it would be beneficial - optical scan's got a really good success rate.

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This of course, exludes anyone with eye damage. Not to mention cost, reliablity issues, and the fact that the government would have to have a national registry of our retinal scans. Now that's freaking scary.

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U.S. citizens saw the need for a change in original rules.

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However, hype over a certain incidence should not warrent the amendment of the constitution. Remember prohibition? In our 228 years of existance, the issue of the Electoral College has come up twice. This is not a major problem.

but it is a stae's right. the format of the ballot is left to the state. and it should be left that way.

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The Constitution is the Constitution for a reason. It is a plan for the country, and it ment to be followed. The original document and subsequent amendments were not just thrown in there for the heck of it.

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I agree. The amendments were not "just thrown in there for the heck of it." The Constitution was amended because each time, U.S. citizens saw the need for a change in original rules.

We SHOULD add an amendment to enforce standardized ballots for all states so that there are no more 'stolen' elections. I am positive that conservatives would be obsessing about this topic if Al Gore had stolen the election rather than Bush.

the Constitution is open to interpretation, it always has been. If it wasn't, there would be no "under God" in the pledge of allegiance (it was added well after the Pledge was written) because of the separation of church and state. I really think that if all the states decided to get standardized voting ballots, it would be beneficial - optical scan's got a really good success rate.

Oh. OOPS. Thank you for correcting me. I feel really stupid now, but thanks.

catilina,

actually california has some 56 votes and i have no idea how many vermont has but it couldnt nearly amount to that.
it depends on population its proportional.
wisconsin actually just lost another one. we have ten.
so what you said was false each state has a different amount of votes it depends on pop.

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. . . is screwy anyway. I mean, think about it. Not every vote counts. Some votes count for considerably less. This is because of the Electorial College. Each state gets one vote. Think about THAT: Vermont getting as much say as California? Or Rhode Island, as much as Texas? So few people. . . and so many. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, our constitution has some great stuff in it, I don't think (like Susan B. Anthony did) that it ought to be burnt. But there are holes, deffinitely holes. Remember that it was written by a bunch of WHITE MALE ELITISTS.

im tired of liberals complaing that they cant figure out how to use a ballot of its not "standardized"

But then you could argue: why were there amendments at all? Why change the initial "plan" of our founding fathers? I think as our society changes and corruption becomes more prevalent, it's necessary to make these sorts of changes.

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there needs to be standard ballots for all states. Though this is "unconstitutional" I think it's just silly.

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The Constitution is the Constitution for a reason. It is a plan for the country, and it ment to be followed. The original document and subsequent amendments were not just thrown in there for the heck of it.

Definitely... there needs to be standard ballots for all states. Though this is "unconstitutional" I think it's just silly. Why does it HAVE to be left to the states? I guess to give them power, seperate from the federal gov?

Read the constitution. Voting is left up to the states. A federal - standarized ballot would be uncostitutional.

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No. That's the whole point of this post.

what r the ballets like now? there is no common one used nationwide?