As a student of a liberal university, the University of Colorado, I think there is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Colleges are getting too liberal. I;m not talking about students but the faculty has gotten too liberal. There is no fair balance. Students with conservative views are alienated and shunned by professors. Colleges are no longer members of the great debate but instead prescribe to the principal of - lets see who can say the most radically liberal statement.

I am all for having liberal professors but I think there should be a fair and balanced presentation of intellectual matters so students can decide for themselves and right now that just isn't happening. Can anyone honestly say that higher education is not biast?

Also people who pay for college are paying for an education - not paying to listen a professor stand on a soap box for three hours a week about how terrible Bush is.

What do you guys think?

Who, exactly, was writing that Bush eats babies? I doubt your professors were...
But I agree that students are getting out of hand. I don't care what side they're on, but if people act like idiots and just shout insults or not bother to understand issues, I can never respect them.

I also attend one of these out of control liberal colleges. I find it hard to express my conservative views in the classroom and on campus. They (liberals) talk about academic freedom as long as it follows their views. However, they constantly put down republicans as being crazy conservatives tricked by fox news. Point in case the other day they wrote things as George Bush eats babies. The sad part about that statement is that it is obviously not true. Moreover what kind of education do these people have that all they can come up with is name-calling. I would appreciate it if they could come up with a coherent argument. I have heard from many lectures I have attended, the liberal point of view is the only one, and it affects the professors teaching of the class. I have been to many lectures where it seems to be structured on how Bush will ruin our country. I find that my Philosophy class was like this almost everyday at some point during the one-hour lecture. Next, when you watch a video on how bad fox news is or spend all day discussing how the country is going down the tubes; you know you are not receiving a good education. The main problem with this is kids are receiving only one side of the story. The idea of college is to promote a safe environment with free exchange of ideas. When you are being, force-fed one set of ideas you will never achieve free exchange of ideas. We need to take the bias out of the classroom. When this is done, it will befit everyone and the degree that you will receive will be more beneficial than the one you would have received before.

Although I admit, I'm not in college and have no clue what I'm talking about, I can't believe that a professor can turn a course into teaching that their political beliefs are right, and everyone else's are wrong. My guess is that the following is happening:
A professor teaches a history lesson. Facts are given, valid cause and effect paths are followed through to see what happened and why. The professor relates it to modern politics and takes a crack at Bush. They point out flaws in the current system without accepting the inherent flaws in their own beliefs. Marine then flies off the deep end and declares colleges insanely liberal and stepping out of line.
Of course a professor is going to insert their own beliefs into their teachings. It has to be done. Otherwise, you just got a course on the way to getting your BS. Which is just that. Their job is to teach truths, and most of them can only teach half of the truth.
Since one as wise as Marine can obviously tell that his teacher is biased, I'm sure he can sift through it to find the real facts bellow the babble. I'm sure professors are usually smart enough to at least have some sort of base for their opinions, and it's your job as a student to find it.

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Clpo13, I am honored if the only thing you can find wrong with my arguement is spelling. Your compliment is well taken.

Did you completely disregard the rest of my original post?

think about it marine, it might be the last time in your life you have to. The neo-conservative movement, the Religious Right, and the Moral Majority started twenty years ago, in the time of Reagan. The people born and raised under these new conservative ideals are now in college.

northstar, can you provide me with a link to these studies.

And even if they are becomign more conservative it reallyw ont make a difference because they so radically liberal. They will still be very liberal even if they are becoming more 'conservative'.

Clpo13, I am honored if the only thing you can find wrong with my arguement is spelling. Your compliment is well taken.

surveys show that colleges are becoming increasingly conservative.

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And this, my fellow YNers, is a perfect example of a conservative making a fool out of himself. Let's give marine16 a big hand. *claps*

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Originally posted by marine16:
Bauhaus, I am talking about college, not high school. Most professors who preach their ideas are tenured. As a result they can not get fired that easily. In addition those who aren't tenured hide behind 'academic freedom'.

It seems to me that you are talking about High School where the problem of teachers spitting out their beliefs is not nearly as big as a problem in college.

Wether you are conservative or liberal your politics hav no place in the classroom.

Clpo13...HA HA SNORT SNORT GIGGLE I SPELLED HATE WRONG. THAT WAS SO GIGGLE FUNNY.

I go to an art school in san francisco, I have not encountered one teacher promoting their politcal views.

I agree. It is hilarious. Where'd you learn to spell, the McGrady Institute for People Who Don't Know What A Spellchecker Is? I'm merely commenting on how hard it is to take your opinion at face value when you misspell the simplest of things. Posting your ideas on YN is not a race. However, if you wish to join in the newbie school of thought in which u TyP3 lik D1s al! da tIM3, by all means, go ahead.

Bauhaus, I am talking about college, not high school. Most professors who preach their ideas are tenured. As a result they can not get fired that easily. In addition those who aren't tenured hide behind 'academic freedom'.

It seems to me that you are talking about High School where the problem of teachers spitting out their beliefs is not nearly as big as a problem in college.

Wether you are conservative or liberal your politics hav no place in the classroom.

Clpo13...HA HA SNORT SNORT GIGGLE I SPELLED HATE WRONG. THAT WAS SO GIGGLE FUNNY.

I have never encountered a teacher of any sort who is outspoken in his political views. If any of my teachers say something remotely political, it's usually in the interest of making a joke. Of course, most of those jokes are directed towards our dear old Prez (sarcastic tone of voice), but who can blame them for hating NCLB?

No doubt, conservative kids are peeved at professors ripping on their beloved commander in chief, but it's the students' problem to deal with. I see nothing wrong with teachers proclaiming their political beliefs. It is their perogative after all.

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I never had a liberal coach in my life because competitive sports subscribe to teh same principal as capitalism and liberals hat capitalism.

Um, okay then. Sports and capitalism. The same, yet different. No. You're crazy if you think sports are the same as capitalism. Sure, same principal, but on totally different levels. And since when do liberals hate--excuse me, "hat"--capitalism? Are you insisting that they prefer to let the economy wallow in despair? I beg to differ. I am part-liberal myself and I don't hate capitalism. I think it's the best thing ever to happen to modern man. Yes, it has its flaws, but its better than anything else out there.

I didnt mean coaching as in sports. Coaching kids in school, giving them the support and guidence they need.

Obviously it liberal teachers never effected your thought process. I cannot stand when teachers preach politics, so thats when you tell the admin, and the teacher will get in trouble.

Ive done that myself.

my faculty has been very neutral in their presentation of material (and I am in political science so that is hard to find...usually either very left or very right). it is the students that are the crazies (liberal in this case).

the most recent conflict came when the GLBT organization proposed a resolution in student congress that would call for a ban military recruiters from campus because of their policies toward homosexuals in the military. our campus has a "diversity" policy that prohibits organizations that have exclusive policies from using our campus.

i may disagree with the military's policy toward homosexuals in the military but banning them from campus is ludicrous!! although i am pretty sure the resolution passed student congress, the university is required to allow military recruiters on campus or we won't get federal aid.

Liberals coach? Are you kidding me? I never had a liberal coach in my life because competitive sports subscribe to teh same principal as capitalism and liberals hat capitalism.

So you, bauhaus, think students dshould only get one sided educations? Not even educations really, they shoudl spend all their money on goign to a college where all you really learn is how terrible Bush is. Your mind must really be screwed up if you don't want to students to get a little of everything.

I have had some teachers who don't preach their ideals and they simply taught the material. That is what all classes should be like in Higher Education - only the truth

Why dont we just fire all the liberal teachers who create our future. Just ban liberals from teaching for ever. Id like to see how the world would go.

Dont you see, liberals are soft, they help coach and help, they push, they deal with people who mess up all day, and correct them in a way where they want them to actually do better in life. Conservatives are harsh, "my way or the high way." Why do you think the corporate world is conservative? because they will just drop you down to the ground. You can be a bum they will not give a ****.


Where would the art go? No art no design. It would be a very boring, ugly world. Ugly cars, Ugly houses, No magazine ads, movie credits, magazines, photoagraphy, etc. etc.

That happens in all education systems, even in highschools. In fact, everywhere. Go to a workplace where, say, everyone is a member of the Green Party, and you'll face the same thing.

marine, what you said is so great I will say it again...

"As a student of a liberal university, the University of Colorado, I think there is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Colleges are getting too liberal. I;m not talking about students but the faculty has gotten too liberal. There is no fair balance. Students with conservative views are alienated and shunned by professors. Colleges are no longer members of the great debate but instead prescribe to the principal of - lets see who can say the most radically liberal statement.

I am all for having liberal professors but I think there should be a fair and balanced presentation of intellectual matters so students can decide for themselves and right now that just isn't happening. Can anyone honestly say that higher education is not biast?

Also people who pay for college are paying for an education - not paying to listen a professor stand on a soap box for three hours a week about how terrible Bush is."

Nothing more can be said. Thank you marine. Just when I think the world is going to hell in a hadbasket you put my troubeled mind at ease. How glorious you are.