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Picture of Praetor
Registered: January 24, 2004
Posts: 92
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The Falconist Party just got an upgrade with a new website and a new Falconist Party myspace group. We are also working on establishing a national office, state branches, and local chapters. We also have a new 40 Point Platform. Check it out!
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Registered: August 05, 2006
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Okay. That website pisses me off.
The sounds screech in my ears, it's extremely high pitched, the controls are really clumsy, and it just looks bad, IMHO.

I'd also like to make a queick not about the Platform of the Falconist party. You state: We call for laws that restore public morality and discourage smoking, drinking, gambling, and pornography.

Who decides these morals are corrects, and how do you plan to enforce these morals?

Also, you call for many reforms, reconstruction, etc. You call for so many, that it appears to be a complete overhaul of the US. Yet, I am seeing very few good arguements for where this money is going to come from, and the economic reforms you do call for, seemingly in irony, ask for more money to do so.

You also state you want a judicial system that is, and I quote, "And if neccesary, harsh". What qualifies as harsh? Does this mean the law system will not be lienent, nor will it attempt to rehabilitate?

Once again, Arming Police Officers seems to go against the Posse Act.

You call for colonization of other planets.
Shouldn't we spend time fixing ours, first?

You also state, "That does not mean a seperation of God from Government", when confronted with "Seperation of Church and State". Now, correct me if I am wrong, but does not Church/Religion primarily revolve around God? And is not Government then, the state? Is that not a contradiction?

Now, to expand a bit on paying for things, your plan sounds fine and dandy...

'Cept it's not that specific. You talk about reforming the tax system. Yet, is that not what most governments have been trying to do? What makes your party rootly different, that they will be that much more effective? You also say "Terminate programs that are inefficent and ineffective in dealing with America's problems". Which programs do you have in mind? Do you actually have programs in mind? How will you pay for their termination, and what will be put in place of the programs, once they are gone?


Honestly, the website seems like a joke to me. Something you'd make with a WYSIWYG editor, and a freewebs account. But that's just me.


Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
Picture of Praetor
Registered: January 24, 2004
Posts: 92
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We had a shakeup in the party recently but we are still alive with another new Falconist Party website and we now have a national mailing address as well as our burgeoningmyspacegroup.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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as I age the more I head towards a form of libertarianism (very small "L")


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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This country does not need the Falconist Party. What it does need are more liberties. This is a free country. It was founded on freedom, and that should never change. Want something other than Republicans or Democrats? Try the Libertarian Party. They've got the right idea.

I suppose this could be seen as a plug, but since I'm a small-l libertarian (not a member of the party), it's probably all right. I figure, the more people who learn about libertarianism, the better. Want freedoms? Vote Libertarian.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: August 05, 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by clpo13:
Amp, the Falconists are going for issuing weapons to everyone, not just the ones who want them.


SWITZERLANDZORS!

Anyway. They seem okay, to a degree.

But I don't agree with:
1. I don't believe anyone should be forced to vote. A democracy is not democratic, unless you have the option to vote.
7. This depends on what it means. If you're turning the US Government into one supergovernment, no thank you.
14. I don't believe anyone should be forced to serve in the military, or do service ot the community.
17. I don't agree that they should be handing out weapons. Atleast, in a place like the US. Switzerland, okay. US. No.
21. I don't perticularily like the concept of a police state. It is too easily a tool of abuse against the people, unless you plan to arm the citizens equally as much. It also seemingly pisses in the face of the Posse Act, saying we'll turn the Police into a military instead.
28. I am pro-choice, and I do not believe the government should have the capability to dictate what I do with my body, be it that there is the possibility of another one coming in.
29. I love my cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, and Hustler.
30. I do not believe the state should sponsor religion. They should sponsor themselves.
32. I do not believe people should be allowed to preach in public schools. Prayer, if done in private, sure. But if you force it in my schools, no.
35. If you remove drugs. Also, who defines what terrorism is? One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
37. I believe we should have different states, with different cultures, to keep each Government in check. United States of Terra? No.


Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
Picture of Praetor
Registered: January 24, 2004
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Why do you think this party will crash by 2009?
Picture of ampmaster
Registered: February 22, 2004
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ah well that's a diffrent matter isn't it? especially because there are a large number of people in this nation I wouldn't trust with a butter knife much less an assualt rifle


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Amp, the Falconists are going for issuing weapons to everyone, not just the ones who want them.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: September 19, 2004
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To tell you the truth.... I'm kinda scaird of what their pushing for... some is amasing and i would push for... but some really does scare me.


Whats meant to be will happen.~ Tomarrow is yet another day.~ Thou shalt call me long winded.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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kate the citizens are armed if we want to be already. Hell just ask dragonman he has a freakin arsenal all his own


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: May 18, 2006
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The hole arming civilians? Seems like crime rates would go through the roof. Who knows what some people might do if they get angry and have a gun on them...


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Registered: March 08, 2004
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Hmm...I support a lot of party's tenets. Others, not so much.

Either way, with that flash intro, you guys have a real shot of making it onto a ballot somewhere before the party collapses around 2009.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I only got to point fourteen and already I don't like it. I agree with a little less than half of your points. The rest...seem a little over the top. Arming police forces to the teeth? Yeah, that's going to go over real well.

A smaller government is better. You can't say you want to give more power to the people (as indicated by points one and two) while increasing the power of the federal government (as implied by almost all the rest). If anything, less power should be held by the federal government and more given to the states.

Also, what's with the bit about restoring morality yet allowing all types of faiths? Are you still going to discourage gambling when a great number of people have no moral problems with it? You can't define morality when morality is an inherently ambiguous and rather relative thing. What's moral for one group of people is immoral for the next. Take dancing, for instance. Certain fundamentalist religious groups find dancing highly immoral. Yet the great majority of people don't. And that's just one instance.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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