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Picture of SuemedhaNOISE
Registered: May 24, 2004
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Remember the crazy election of 2000? Bush, Gore, all the hoopla about Florida. Where were you then and where are you now?

Help recollect the last four years. Check out the Timeline of Events covering four years under President Bush. Then, fill in the gaps. Use this board to add significant events to the timeline. Be sure to include the event, a date, and a source -- if you have one.

So…how has your life been affected by the events of President Bush's first term?
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Originally posted by ShadowLiz:
they're all ***holes in my opinion.that felt good! Mad



you are extremely bigoted and a pathetic *******.

Bush/Cheney '04

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Registered: October 22, 2002
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Well apparently those organizations aren't working because a lot of people are still on the streets


And apparently those government agencies aren't working because a lot of people are still on the streets.

However, it's nice to hear a more "reasonable" Democratic voice for once. You're a rare breed though.
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Registered: July 17, 2004
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I'm a democrat and I'm proud.

"FYI Democrats are hypocrites who blame all their failures on Republicans."

Yeah when I fail a test I say darned those republicans they made me forget who was the first prez of the US. No I blame myself for not studying.
Jobs: I don't blame all republicans, I just think that George Bush and his advisors could have made a better decision so I wouldn't have to worry about money problems.
War: Yes i am anti-war and I don't believe we should have gone to war but I don't blame all republicans just George Bush's false info and hastiness to get us in there with no info on how much we'd lose


"Ya know why they rarely get elected?"
Umm 14 of our Presidents have been democrats while 18 have been republicans, not that big of a difference.

"Because they are stupid and care more about making other people's problems their own."

Yeah right and Bush never did that. Also sometimes it's not that bad seeing as they are willing to help others especially during times such as The Great Depression and the worker union problems in the early 1900's

"They think state's problems should become gov't problems, like homeless people, but there are other organizathions that can take care of that kind of stuff."

Well apparently those organizations aren't working because a lot of people are still on the streets

"Stupid democrats should never ever be elected again. Red Face :mad"]

And that remark is made with full knowledge about us "monsters" right?
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Registered: September 18, 2002
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they're all ***holes in my opinion.that felt good! Mad
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Registered: October 22, 2002
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It's not just that. Democrats try to "own" people by making them dependent on their entitlement programs. Unfortunately, it works. Well. And this ensures that they will always have those voters.

As for the rest, I'd refute a lot of the points brought up by the inherently dishonest anti-Bush-types here, but I get off work early.

I should say, though, that the dishonesty of the anti-war crowd drives a lot of people further right. Me, for one. For those who don't think the entire WMD claim was a farce, well, now it's looking like Bush was on the right track all along.

And, as far as oil goes to whoever posted that, the only people benefitting from Iraq's oil was the anti-war crowd, taking bribes from Saddam. Personally, I wish we did take Iraqi oil to pay for this war. Certainly, Bush could have immensely helped the economy if he had taken at least some oil. But, it was not ours to take.
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FYI Democrats are hypocrites who blame all their failures on Republicans. Ya know why they rarely get elected? Because they are stupid and care more about making other people's problems their own. They think state's problems should become gov't problems, like homeless people, but there are other organizathions that can take care of that kind of stuff. Stupid democrats should never ever be elected again. Red Face Mad
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Registered: September 18, 2002
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i think the reason why republicans are always bashing democrats is because democrats are righteous and make their decisions based on right choices.republicans have too much to say and hate democrats because we want the right thing.most of the time, the right thing isn't satisfactory to republicans so they bad talk democrats and blame everytthing on us.personally i think all republicans should just thrown themselves off the face of the earth.maybe the world would be a better place.course, the republicans seem to think vise-versa.but, that's just what i think. Eek
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Hey, you know, I would really like to know where those WMD's are that we have supposedly found are


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has claimed that we found WMDs. I think going in Bush (and others) said they were there. Also (I'm not saying this is the case because its probably not) sometimes the government cannot say "Yay! We found WMDs!" if they found them in a not very ethical way. Therefore, they could have been found just the government can't give up that information. (Once again, it's not likely but possible.)

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most of the time we had no idea what was going on, and would find out a month, later that a whole bunch of people died, adn jstu blame it on extremists.


In a lot of wars the American public has had no clue what is going on. This war is actually one of the most publized of all times. Also, I don't think anyone has ever waited a month to report a death. And if they did so I say good for them. If my husband/brother/father/sister/mother died I don't think I would want it all over television. I don't give a flying flip if I don't know that John Doe from Whoville died. Sure, knowing the death count would be good but the public does not need to know specifics. We don't need to know troops placements and exactly what is going on. If we know, the whole world knows, and then the United States will never win this war. I don't know why you say "just blame it on the extremists." If it is a car bombing, or a decapitation, or whatnot, yeah the Bushies blame it on the extremists because, oh snap!, that's what the extremists do.
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Registered: July 14, 2004
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to be quite frank, if u didn't have a loved one go into the war, there was no way u could actually be...touched, or life changed, this war was the most...disgusting of all, because most of the time we had no idea what was going on, and would find out a month, later that a whole bunch of people died, adn jstu blame it on extremists.
other than knowing strongly where i stand with our government and my political views, this war has had no impact on me whatso ever
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first of all just beacuse a person isn't pro-bush doesn't make them not patriotic...
i for one dislike bush, and am in love with our country. everything we do, and how we do it, i will stand with no matter what. no matter who made the decision and how stupid they are. needless to say, going into a war, everyone knew that there are going to be causualities and just to dorp a tear everytime you HEAR about it on CNN is quite shallow. but what was the point going into it, obcioly the people that were being so 'helplessly dictated' saw nothing wrong, and were perfectly happy.
Registered: July 18, 2004
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First off, I see just as much generalizing of and bashing on 'liberals' as liberals are accused of doing towards republicans and Bush. Granted, I am not what you'd call a stereotypical liberal if you really knew me...I never liked Clinton, I think Kerry is a big drip, I despise political correctness, I don't go for affirmative action, total socialism, etc. But that's part of my point, 'stereotypical liberal' was the operative term and not all of us fit that description, just as I'm sure not every conservative supports all the Bush policies or follows lockstep with one set platform.

Secondly, its kind of ridiculous to hear some people complaining about all the 'Bush bashing' while they are still stuck on bashing Clinton in the very same post. At least Bush is still actually the president and therefore criticizm of him and his polocies is a tad bit more relevant than still obessing over a guy who hasn't been in office for years. And when he was in office, conservatives bashed on him, often about extremely petty things like his sex life, I don't see how you can pull a double standard where its ok to criticize him for who he got a ******* from but all of a sudden its taboo to call Bush as many of us see him, an inept moron. Apparently what's good for the right wing of the goose supposedly isn't permissible for the left wing of the gander. Consistancy, people!

My problem with Bush goes way beyond his apparent lack of intelligence, especially considering its not just Bush I have the problem with, but some of those in his administration who do have brains, which is much more negative since they have the ability to genuinely manipulate and screw things over.

But I can't blame it all on those in power, since its the American people who are buying it all in such large numbers, and don't seem to realize that the emporer has no clothes...or simply don't care.

No one can really deny that going into Iraq did have its positive side-effect, i.e. Saddam got taken out. That doesn't mean the ends justify the means, unless you're a fan of Machiavelli, someone conservatives like to compare Clinton to. I might have even supported going into Iraq if the administration's supposed motives for doing so weren't so transparently manipulative and blatantly exploiting 9/11 and people's paranoia in the wake of it.

Check out the homepage for the conservative think tank Project For The New American Century. Long before the whole flap about supposed WMD's, long before 9/11, they were planning on going into Iraq again, and the people associated with this think tank now also happen to be members of the administration, but all of a sudden they have these convienient tragedies and fears to exploit to sell their plan to the American people. Many were led to believe Iraq was a clear and present danger, that there were loads of WMD's, and a direct connection with 9/11 and so far none of these supposed justifications have really measured up to the hype. Appealing to American's wish to be, or at least seem like altruistic angels of democracy also didn't hurt in selling the war.

I think people like Rumsfeld and Cheny are sharp enough to realize that we would not be greeted with cheers and flowers, that this operation would be a relative cakewalk pushbutton kind of war, and that we could just go in and foist instant democracy on a region so politically and culturally alien to it.

And while to say the real motive is simply oil greed and nothing else is naive, the oil is certainly part of it, and the real underlying motives are not as noble and altruistic as they'd like us to believe. I think it has less to do with 'liberation' and more to do with a larger strategy of destabalizing the middle east so the region can be more easily under our thumb.
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Bethany, I would please like you to go to a site by the name of IraqBodyCount.net. Its is a very informative webiste, and according to it, it seems like you might have underestimated the civilian casualties a tad. Please, check it out.
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Hey, you know, I would really like to know where those WMD's are that we have supposedly found are, because all I have been hearing lately ( and not just on the so-called "biased liberal press", but Fox too) si how we have made a mistake and there weren't any WMD's in iraq at all! Please don't tell me you are calling hundreds of highly qualified CIA people, newscasters, and even representatives from the White House liars? Cause I would really like to know.
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bethany your summarization brought a tear to my eye. excellent!


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"ok the question was how has it impacted you?
the only answer most can give to that if any is my friend/family member had to go over seas.well get over it.that person signed up to be in the military if they didnt want to assume the duty then they should have never joined.the fact is by joining the armed forces you say im willing to do what it takes to protect my country.if its dieing im sorry thats what it took but u put yourself in risk for that."



great summary.


"as for the majority of people the term hasnt affected you.have your taxes raised no in this war the taxes havent been raised.if anything u got more omney back!!the price of gas went up??u cant blame the prez for that,he doesnt control it opec controls the worlds gas price and we stil pay next to nothing compared to europe.what else do u want to say he lost jobs for our country?well if uve studied econoomics any youd know that according to every expirt this is a dip that occures everyso often and it actually helps trade by createing more competition in the worlds market."

not only this its not even bush's fault. its recesion occurred sseveral months before clinton left office. but you are right, the economy does have fluctuations occasionally.

"i pse another question for liberals,if you support kerry why? i meran u cant say the war in iraq because his plan is so close to bushs that i cant even tell theres a difference. is it because of national security? i mean ever since 9/11 we havent had one doesnt that mean bush is doing a great job? is it because bush sells out to corperate america? well so does kerry,the majority of their campain money comes from companies that want to gain some political influence. so think about it how has bush affected you. i would have to say htough hes not the most suave man to be prez hes doing a great job i havent been negativly affected by his term(by the way on of my close friends was sent over seas)"

nice job summarizing.

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"If I've been living under a rock then how come all I said was true? I watch a lot of the news and see these polls that they've been doing recently and it looks as if more people support Kerry than Bush."

i guess you havent seen teh one in the washington post then. they are pretty much neck and neck.


"Everything I said there were the facts.The truth is Bush is a moron and a scumbag."


no he is not clinton was teh scumbag. clitnon was the mrorn. i dont knwo a whole lot about kerry othe than he flipp flops alot.

"You can't change my mind about that no matter how many times you blab that big mouth of yours."

my big bmouth? i get labeled big mouth for sharing my opinions? this is insane! is there a virtual gas leak in here?


"You seem to be in a lot of these message boards telling people that they're wrong for wanting Kerry in office."

if i said they were wrong, sorry. anyways i THINK it wrong. but he is a flip flopper and doesnt know how to make decisions.


"The people who are putting Kerry down are doing just the same thing."

thats because repulicans, well at least me are sick and tired of hearing everyone blast on bush! calling him a barbecuing freak, and a tongue tied mrorn. that isnt right. if you are going to bash him, do it on somthing that he did in office.

"They're stating the bad facts about him and saying that the people who support him are morons.Well, if they can sit on their butts and type bad things about him then I think I have just as much right to say garbage about Bush."


you do have the right to asy whatever you want but when its false, i step in.

"I think Kerry deserves a chance in office.Bush has had his chance and he's messed it up."

nope.

"You're definitely a republican!"

captain obvious.


"They're all stuck up on themselves and they think they're right all the time."

no its the liberals that try to excuse everything they did. they are double sided, back stabbing snakes. (the ones in office, mind you are back stabing but all liberals have double standards if they suport clinton or think hwe did a good job.)

"That's definitely you.And as for that tallywhack person, he/she can take a baseball back and whack he/she in the head and you too.You both make Bush look bad. Mad"

no bush is excellent. im not saying he is perfect but he is far better than clinton or kerry will ever be.

"P.S. It seems like everytime there is a debate issue on these boards, everyone is ripping each other's hair out."


yes and i bet everyone is going to point fingers at me. when i only use name calling when people use it on me first. there was the instance with nightingale but i apologized for that.

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nushoes and beth u too rule!!
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ok the question was how has it impacted you?
the only answer most can give to that if any is my friend/family member had to go over seas.well get over it.that person signed up to be in the military if they didnt want to assume the duty then they should have never joined.the fact is by joining the armed forces you say im willing to do what it takes to protect my country.if its dieing im sorry thats what it took but u put yourself in risk for that.
as for the majority of people the term hasnt affected you.have your taxes raised no in this war the taxes havent been raised.if anything u got more omney back!!the price of gas went up??u cant blame the prez for that,he doesnt control it opec controls the worlds gas price and we stil pay next to nothing compared to europe.what else do u want to say he lost jobs for our country?well if uve studied econoomics any youd know that according to every expirt this is a dip that occures everyso often and it actually helps trade by createing more competition in the worlds market. i pse another question for liberals,if you support kerry why? i meran u cant say the war in iraq because his plan is so close to bushs that i cant even tell theres a difference. is it because of national security? i mean ever since 9/11 we havent had one doesnt that mean bush is doing a great job? is it because bush sells out to corperate america? well so does kerry,the majority of their campain money comes from companies that want to gain some political influence. so think about it how has bush affected you. i would have to say htough hes not the most suave man to be prez hes doing a great job i havent been negativly affected by his term(by the way on of my close friends was sent over seas)
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Quit your *****ing about the PATRIOT Act. There are a lot more draconian laws on the books than that one. Besides, our civil liberties have been in the crosshairs of politicians for years - particularly, liberal ones. And if you didn't (or don't) oppose those efforts then you are a part of the problem. So get over it.


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