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Picture of CelticNewAger
Registered: December 11, 2003
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Okay, so this idea I don't know where it came from, but I read somewhere (forgot the link) that Bush was against it.

I'm pretty liberal and open for knowledge of the world and languages, but I think this is insane. The anthem is something that should never be changed...ever.

Out of sheer respect, I would never even suggest that. That's like if I went to a friend's house and decided to paint the walls a new color.

My country went through a change of anthem thanks to the US, and I never feel the actual anthem is the real thing...it feels like a fake cover-up over the true poetry and beauty that was the original anthem.

What do you think?


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Registered: May 07, 2003
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Summing up what everyone else has been saying...

It is best for anthems to be sung in their original languages; for the US, that would be English. That is good because the majority of Americans speak English.

Mandarin Chinese is the language spoken by the most people in the world. Chinese is not a universal language because pretty much only the billion+ people living in China would understand it.

English is not a univeral language. While many people DO speak English, there are plenty of places you could go and be in BIG trouble if you only spoke English. Numbers are the same in most every modern language (this is true unless you get remote areas with odd number-base systems), this makes it universal.

Since singing the national anthem with numbers does not work, and since numbers would be the ONLY way to make it universal, we might as well just sing it in its original language. The people who care most about what the anthem says will get to be the ones to hear it in their language.

(sorry if I offended anyone by doing that, I'm just a firm believer that by having another person say something differently, it really does help...)


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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Code is Math and Math is Code there is no differences

and what's your point half is a hell of alot more than would understand the anthem in english


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computer code and code is math for the record


Yeah... see when we was talking about math it was different than computer code. We just mentioned computer code. And so what half the people in this world still don't know what the hell it says?


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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Oh but it can and likely is young padawan google search "the national anthem in binary" or another type of computer code and code is math for the record


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language does not have to be spoken you just need to be able to make yourself understood through it. Computer code is an excellent example, you can't speak code but you can make yourself understood to others though it


Yeah but the National Anthem won't be written in computer code or Math for that matter.


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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language does not have to be spoken you just need to be able to make yourself understood through it. Computer code is an excellent example, you can't speak code but you can make yourself understood to others though it


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mathmatics and latin are universal languages


You can't speak Mathmatics.


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neither is freakin english

mathmatics and latin are universal languages because everyone in the career fields of science and medicine understand one if not both worldwide


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Just in case you still dont get it, you were talking about how more people would understand a national anthem if in the olympics it was sung in English... the olympics being a worldwide event... get it?


Mandarin Chinese isn't a universal language.


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oh my god pandora are you really that stupid or do you just like being ignorant for fun.

Mathmatics is the universal language, not English.

Chinese is spoken by about 3.5 times more people (thats more than triple you know) than english... So again your ignorance on the subject amazes me.

Just in case you still dont get it, you were talking about how more people would understand a national anthem if in the olympics it was sung in English... the olympics being a worldwide event... get it?


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And the comments me and Hyd just made were correcting you when you said


Doesn't matter. America's language is not primarily Chinese. In America singing it in English would be more sensible.


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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So what does it matter national anthems are to be sung in the orgional language it's only polite in the end.

And the comments me and Hyd just made were correcting you when you said

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They didn't cater to everyone and sing them in English, because they knew that more people would understand it that way (in english).


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And Hydrok's point still stands if you want more people to understand something you put it in chinese.


That still doesn't help us out here in America.


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Okay listen carefully chinese is the major root language of the entire asian region a very large portion of the languages there are based off of chinese so a very large number of non-chinese people can understand chinese it also happens to be a populer trade language because trading with the chinese is highly lucrative. that's what I meant. And Hydrok's point still stands if you want more people to understand something you put it in chinese.


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you obviously know nothing of asia


I guess you don't either. I don't believe the primary language is Chinese. I believe China isn't the only country in Asia. So yeah I do believe you said China and now it's Asia.


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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you obviously know nothing of asia

but more people speak madarin chinese just in china then speak english as a primary language world wide


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But more people speak chinese


Still not in America. Or any other country except China.


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But more people speak chinese


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Pandora: If they wanted "more" people to understand the national anthems they would all be sung in Chinese


Well that's funny. I didn't know the main language in this country was Chinese. As far as I can see the universal language is English not Chinese.


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