Hey. I know we've all heard the debate about whether or not to legalize gay marriage or not. But I'm wondering what you all think about giving gays civil unions as opposed to marriages.

Personally, I am strongly against "civil unions." I support gay marriage much more. Even if gays would have equal rights under civil unions, by being a different thing itself than marriage, wouldn't it be another case of "separate but equal"? And, as we saw after Plessy vs. Ferguson, it is very hard to be equal when two things are separate.

Even though I would much prefer legalizing gay marriage over "civil unions," if all that Americans are willing to do is allow civil unions, then I will support that. I am definitely against gays having no sort of union at all because that is a type of discrimination which I am firmly against.

By the way strings, I am a christian. I was just saying that your phrase:

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The Bible--God's spoken word--says clearly that marriage is supposed to be between one man and one woman, and nothing else qualifies. As far as equality goes, it's been proven that kids with one parent of each sex have much higher grades than kids with only one parent, or two parents of the same sex. Look at the evidence with an open mind, not one that is prejudiced against the Christian worldview, and you may be surprised at what you find.

makes no sense because you use christianity as your argument and then say not to look at this with an anti christian bias... it's a bit confusing...

This is an excellent article on why homosexuality in animals is a myth

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

To be fair I will also include an interesting counterpoint that explains why homosexuality does exist in animals, it also has some funny pictures:
www.rotten.com/library/sex/homosexuality/animal-homosexuality

Feel free to read both of these and draw your own conclusions. Bear in mind that neither was written by scientists, rather they were both composed by brilliant writers using scientific data from other studies.

You can quote the bible. Congratulations. I wasn't sure that was a skill they teach at GWB's School of Biggotry and Intolerance.

Bushism of the day:
"I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being, play God." —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14, 2005

Of course I meant to put the 1), b) thing, to show that even children of heterosexual couples are commonly not very smart. Just making sure you knew that.

Bushism of the day:
"I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being, play God." —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14, 2005

actually, most children that grow up in heterosexual households are idiots.

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To Ikki14Reed: Proof? Don't you think that, if the "child" of a homosexual couple excelled in anything on a national level, it would be in all the major newspapers and all over the Internet? You don't honestly think any one would pass up that story would you? You know why? Cuz it doesn't happen

First off, the media doesn't really care about academics, national or otherwise, to the point where is front page news. Second, if there is coverage of these children, the kids involved are very very rare. Gay parents are also rare, as compared to straight parents. Therefore, the likelyhood of there being a 1)smart kid with b)gay parents is extraordinarily unlikely, due to just the sheer numbers. I would also like to see proof that gay parents don't raise as smart kids as straight parents.

Bushism of the day:
"I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being, play God." —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14, 2005

Barkid: Do you read the Bible? Romans 1:18-32 explains that homosexuality, whether legally recognized or not, was not in God's original blueprints, and also gives the consequences of such behavior. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptable man, and to birds, and fourfooted things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator who is blessed for ever. AMen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did turn the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did like to retain God in their knowledge, so God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debated, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

To Ikki14Reed: Proof? Don't you think that, if the "child" of a homosexual couple excelled in anything on a national level, it would be in all the major newspapers and all over the Internet? You don't honestly think any one would pass up that story would you? You know why? Cuz it doesn't happen.

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As long as gay couples are upstanding members of their community, they should enjoy the same rights everybody else does.

But prostitutes and murderors can get married, right?

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So is ********ity.

That, Unless I'm much mistaken, is bestíality.

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So is ********ity. Does that mean we should legalize that?

I can't tell what you are trying to say. Please clarify.

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Hey, I'm all for civil unions. As long as gay couples are upstanding members of their community, they should enjoy the same rights everybody else does. Nevertheless, anyone can argue that they were "born a certain way". And if we're going to rationalize gay rights on those grounds, then we may as well rationalize the rights of rapists, polygamists, etc. Once again, I don't mean to equate homosexuality with those other, out-of-this-world forms of behavior, but the fact remains that any of them can also credibly argue that they were "born that way".

Rapists hurt people. Who do gay people hurt when they are getting married? And another thing- not "upstanding" straight people can get married, so why not gays?

What is the difference between marriage and civil unions with expanded rights?

Bushism of the day:
"I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being, play God." —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14, 2005

You are not born with something that makes you rape someone. DOn't be dumb.

And what arew the asteriks covering? i cannot refute it without knowing. And you know little about polygamy. Don't talk about things you know little about.

under the grouds you gave, you weren't born straight, so why should you get rights for that choice?

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Both true. Hetero or homo, using it as a power trip is wrong. It happens with heterosexuals, why not homosexuals?

Yes, it happens. Ofcourse, no dispute, but no more often than with heteros, so it's not a valid argument for why gay people should be considered differently.

And I was saying you had no lcue about what the bible says regarding some facts. have you actually read the bible in it's entirety?

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How? Gay relationships are 1:1.

So is ********ity. Does that mean we should legalize that?

Hey, I'm all for civil unions. As long as gay couples are upstanding members of their community, they should enjoy the same rights everybody else does. Nevertheless, anyone can argue that they were "born a certain way". And if we're going to rationalize gay rights on those grounds, then we may as well rationalize the rights of rapists, polygamists, etc. Once again, I don't mean to equate homosexuality with those other, out-of-this-world forms of behavior, but the fact remains that any of them can also credibly argue that they were "born that way".

Barkid- show me where the animal thing was debunked.

Bushism of the day:
"I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being, play God." —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14, 2005

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As far as equality goes, it's been proven that kids with one parent of each sex have much higher grades than kids with only one parent, or two parents of the same sex.

Show me the proof.

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And the seven year limit was only for specific people.

Those who were God's children. Jews, yes, but now Christians have been given equal birthright as children of God.
They converted slaves to Christianity and kept them enslaved when they themselves were Christian. This is much like having your brother as a slave.

Yogore, are you Christian? You accuse me of "speaking of things I know nothing about," can you show me what I said that was wrong? (Civilly, if at all possible, please?)

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Gays are denied rights because of people's beliefs. Not the same thing, but similar.

Greed convinced the "white classes" to keep those of different races under heavy laws restricting everything about them except for how often they had intercourse and, therefore, children. There is quite a fundamental difference, as the laws limiting homosexuals are motivated by moral beliefs. (Moral beliefs of 17th Century America did not, initially, treat blacks as inferior until after colonials decided that their economy (having fewer indentured servants migrating from England) needed laborers.)

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i doubt many gay people will tell you that. ... This argument could be just as true for heterosexual sex.

Both true. Hetero or homo, using it as a power trip is wrong. It happens with heterosexuals, why not homosexuals?

My take on the tactic of gays to try appearing as victims:Some Suppressed Minorities.
(Worse examples can certainly be found from American history. What's happening today, compared to what others have gone through at the hands of fellow Americans, is like comparing getting slapped across the face as opposed to being stabbed in the gut and having one's organs slowly removed. I am exaggerating? Please correct me! I would love to believe that what homosexuals are going through is the worst deal this country has ever given anyone.)

The first part of your argument says that God's word clearly states what marriage is, then you say to look at the evidence and make a decision with a mind that is not prejudiced against the christian worldview... you are not making sense here.

If we're going to give gays civil untions, we may as well give them full-fledged marriages, because the only difference is in what you call it. I don't support either. The Bible--God's spoken word--says clearly that marriage is supposed to be between one man and one woman, and nothing else qualifies. As far as equality goes, it's been proven that kids with one parent of each sex have much higher grades than kids with only one parent, or two parents of the same sex. Look at the evidence with an open mind, not one that is prejudiced against the Christian worldview, and you may be surprised at what you find.

The gay animal myth has been debunked, animals often engage in homosexual activities but they do so to show power or to avoid conflict, or when they are confused. Regardless of whether or not you believe that, it has been shown that no animal seeks out another animal of the same sex EXCLUSIVELY. A Male baboon is likely to assert it's dominance over a weaker male and then go breed with a female all in the same hour. Animals also occassionally commit filicide and cannibalism, does that mean we should too?
Also scientifically it has been shown that a lifetime of anal sex is really not good on the body, if you would argue against this then I guess you don't have things put in your rectum on a regular basis, it's an out hole, not an in hole.