quote: you have no money-----you can just have the baby and give it up for adoption
Maturnity clothes cost money.
quote: YOU wouldnt be here if your mom aborted you.
Thanks for stating the obvious. As someone said before somewhere, "wouldn't you be okay with being aborted if you knew it would make your parents have an easier life?" I know that I wouldn't have had a problem with being aborted. I love my parents, but if they really couldn't have handled me, then I'd be okay with them having an abortion.
quote: you are hard headed and stubborn and instead of following your parents' advice, you go and got yourself pregant
Being pregnant isn't always your fault. yes, you have to have sex, but get its okay to have premarital sex now. Times are changing, get over it.
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Then you shouldnt have premarital sex.... ITs such a stupid question. If you areold enough to KNOW about sex, then you should be old enough to KNOW the consequences.... But i guess some people DONT KNOW THAT SEX BRINGS BABIES... they think its just pleasure.... gosh how i pity these people.
just got out of class and we were almost through discussing about LABOR and pregnancy and i just hope those who aborted their children for the reason that they DONT LIKE IT AND WANTS TO GET RID OF IT, then all i can say is that you are a cold, heartless person. ALL OF US WERE BABIES BEFORE AND IF YOU CANT APPRECIATE YOUR BABY AND IF YOU BLAME YOUR UNWANTED PREGNANCY BECAUSE OF CARELESSNESS DONT EVER BLAME THE BABY. BABIES ARE A BLESSING. If they aren't, think of this and stick it inside your big heads: YOU wouldnt be here if your mom aborted you.
NOTE: its ok if the baby is aborted by natural causes or complications BUT IT IS EVIL if you abort it because: a) you have no money-----you can just have the baby and give it up for adoption b)you are so irresponsible and not using protection c)you are hard headed and stubborn and instead of following your parents' advice, you go and got yourself pregant
Alright. I'll come in and take a stance, even though I usually like to remain just an observer.
Let me begin by saying that I am both pro-choice AND pro-life. A girl should be able to chose whether or not to conceive, and a baby should have a right to live, seeing that its (or his or her) lone fault---the fact that it exists---is not a result of any action it committed.
HNM, your suggestion that simply limiting the number of abortions a woman could legally have is interesting. Many who believe abortion is murder might not go for it, but I think they might realize that, compared to the enormous number of abortions carried out today, it's definitely better. However, limiting "one's right chose" may seem inconsistent with liberals, as ONLY limiting "murder" would be to conservatives.
Euterpe, (pretty name, by the way) your point concerning "philandering women" is a good one. Many girls who mess around frequently make a bad name for those who had the operation once, bacause of rape or other circumstances. Further inflaming the issue are those who wear "I had an abortion, and proud of it" T-shirts. Things like that leave those like the 16-year-old you mentioned confused and in a quagmire of self-derision and pain.
Here's my suggestion. It may or may not be a compromise; I don't really know. It's simply my opinion based on what I've read, experienced, and come to believe.
A woman's body is her own, period. Stricter penalties should be enforced on rapists, namely, they should be strung up by their entrails and have their extremities stuffed through various sensory cavities. You know what I mean. A man can get 15 years for kicking his neighbor's dog, but get 6 months or less for raping a teenager. People need to make sure that if they want to ruin other people's lives, they run the extreme risk of having their lives ruined themselves. Also, victims of rape should have a free ride for the next nine months. The government, if the "father" can't be found and prosecuted to death, should provide access for the girl to the best counseling, support, financial services, and just plain help around. Too often a girl gets an abortion because she simply feels alone.
Education is important. (Duh.) Comprehensive sex education classes should be the norm in highschools, not just handing the kid a condom and telling them to "play it safe." Every teen should know everything about STDs and all the risks they run in playing it loose. It used to be that parents handled this, but all too often they really don't care. And also, that little old thing called "abstinence until marriage" might be worth giving a second thought.
If my way were "it," any girl who has a baby/fetus that isn't a result of rape, but simply because she wasn't careful, should not be allowed access to an abortion clinic. Those who mess around recklessly should be held responsible, but also given options. 45 out of the 50 states in the Union have laws allowing a mother to simplty drop her baby off at the nearest hospital and leave, no questions asked. All possible options should be explored in my opinion before fetus, "alive" or not, should be terminated.
Concerning, the situations where the mother's health is at risk, I don't know, but the gravest consideration should be given before any action is taken.
Frankly, I don't think enough is being done to prevent the situation where a girl would consider having an abortion. Some would blame it on lack of education, some on the moral degradation of society. I suspect a little of both is in play here.
Can all this be solved simply by a government program, or does this require a radical change in society? Am I even on the right track?
quote:Originally posted by HNM: Okay yogore good point. Its just that its hard to compromise due to the fact that if we felt we just wanted to kill somebody because we couldn't deal with the haslle(hastle however you spell it) its just like having an abortion before we deal with the hasell(hastle). You know?
First -- hassle. Second -- this is not about your stance on abortion, HNM, however ridiculously psuedo-religious it may be. But gee, that sixteen-year-old girl who was raped by her brother's friend is such a selfish ***** for not wanting to keep a child she had no say in conceiving and no way of supporting. What a *****.
HNM - this is compromise, not spew moronic comments out of your ***. So please stop. It hurts my eyes. x.x
Okay yogore good point. Its just that its hard to compromise due to the fact that if we felt we just wanted to kill somebody because we couldn't deal with the haslle(hastle however you spell it) its just like having an abortion before we deal with the hasell(hastle). You know?
quote: I think the only compromise we could make is that you cant have an abortion unless its certain reasons. Such as the baby's life is at stake your(the mother's) life is at stake. I feel those are the only way and we could compromise like that!
That's not really a compromise. That's what you want, not what pro-choicers want.
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COULD a compromise be reached? Probably. WILL a compromise be reached? Probably not. After the revolutions of the 60's/70's/80's...people are desperately clinging to beliefs to stand for something. Anything. Nobody wants to compromise their beliefs, especially conservatives/liberals.
I think yogore's idea of "no abortions after a certain amount of time" is a good one. Have the system there, but don't allow any philandering women to abuse it and force it to be taken away. Let towns choose whether or not to allow an abortion clinic to be placed in their town, but require a certain amount per state population. I dunno, just some suggestions.
I think the only compromise we could make is that you cant have an abortion unless its certain reasons. Such as the baby's life is at stake your(the mother's) life is at stake. I feel those are the only way and we could compromise like that!
Maya, the topic doesn't need an opinion. It is just the idea for conversation.
I think a compromise would be good. Something like, no abortions after a certain amount of time. Also making women who get abortions take a [short] class on safe sex.
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