quote:Yeah, fetus wouldn't want to be aborted. But guess what? It's still the woman's choice, and as much as you continue saying that the fetus would say no, it doesn't matter because it's the woman's choice!
That's like saying, "sure that person wouldn't want to be killed but guess what, it's the murderers choice!" Thats so stupid. I'll just leave it at that for now, because I feel like being nice.
This is the one that really gets me, and I had to laugh.
quote:Do you always buckle your seatbelt in the car? If you don't you risk the chances of killing other people in the car if you get in an accident.
No, your not risking someone elses life by not wearing a seatbelt, your risking your own life. Which is completely different then abortion.
quote:Even if you don't believe that a woman's right to choose is more important than a fetus that can't think, then it's okay, because it's not your business, and you can't control what the woman will do.
Whos to say that a fetus can't think? And it's life that we're talking about choosing. A child life is more important then a womens lifestyle un my opinion.
quote:well you see I don't see abortion as murder, I think murder is something you do with malice, and abortion is not done with malice. But anyway if you read my whole post I said "and it definitely should not be used as birth control, BUT nevertheless there are situations in wich women need to be able to have abortions".
When someone is charged for murder by killing someone in an accident is because it is done out of malice? No! So there goes that theory. I'll just leave this,at that and will say more when needed. I don't feel like tearing down and analyzing every little thing that is said as some people do.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
Yeah, fetus wouldn't want to be aborted. But guess what? It's still the woman's choice, and as much as you continue saying that the fetus would say no, it doesn't matter because it's the woman's choice! I'm not saying I support abortion indirectly, I'm saying that a woman should choose wether or not to bear a baby, or go through a painful experience of giving it up. It's not the president's decision. Also, it's not your business whether a person has safe sex or not. They made a mistake and so do you! If you guys care so much about a person's life, especially one that can't even think for itself as it hasnt devolped a brain, then let me ask you a question: Do you always buckle your seatbelt in the car? If you don't you risk the chances of killing other people in the car if you get in an accident. Do you ever cross the street when you're not suppoesed to? You could cause the driver of the car to die! Everyday you risk somebody's life whehter you mean to or not. Even if you don't believe that a woman's right to choose is more important than a fetus that can't think, then it's okay, because it's not your business, and you can't control what the woman will do.
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quote: The fetus is a parasite on the host, or mother. If the mother does not wish to be a host for an unwanted parasite for nine or more months, she should have the legal right to rid herself of that parasite.
And well she should, unfortunately a pregnancy and a parasite are two completely different things, that is why they have different words for the two. Websters definition of parasite is as follows: Parasite:An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
The definition of pregnancy is as follows: Pregnancy:the state of being pregnant; the period from conception to birth when a woman carries a developing fetus in her uterus
While you would like to act like you think a fetus is a parasite, it is not a different organism, it is in fact the young of a species and necessary to carry on the species. If you are legitimitly trying to argue that a pregnant mother of ANY species is harboring a parasite... well, you are a joke to the scientific community. Get your definitions straight.
An example of a parasite would be WJ or XbUsHRoXxOrS.
"Mac, you ever been in love?" - "No, I've been a bartender all my life."
quote:(because you are killing something that's alive and would become a person)
quote: If you have already established that part then why support the choice of murder?
well you see I don't see abortion as murder, I think murder is something you do with malice, and abortion is not done with malice. But anyway if you read my whole post I said "and it definitely should not be used as birth control, BUT nevertheless there are situations in wich women need to be able to have abortions".
quote: BUT nevertheless there are situations in wich women need to be able to have abortions.
quote: How many of the 1,500,000 abortions a year in the U.S. are "needed"? How many are used as birth control? Wouldn't you rather have abortion completely outlawed and save the lives of all the babies that would have been aborted as a form of birth control, than have abortion legal and have millions of lives killed as a form of birth control? Even if some women would have illegal abortions (people have this misconception that all the women do it themselves in their own bathrooms with hangers, but the truth is, they would most likely have it done by a doctor who would break the law), the number would be so small compared to the number with legal abortions. There is no comparison, really.
I don't think abortion should be used as birth control like I've stated many times, but I am not the one to say when they are needed and when not(I'm am not in the situation so I can't really know). And I think the way of impeding abortion being used as birth control would be with better sex education(and not ONLY promoting abstinence) and also better forms of birth control. I don't think making it ilegal is the solution.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
quote: They somehow always happen to forget that crucial element.
The fetus is a parasite on the host, or mother. If the mother does not wish to be a host for an unwanted parasite for nine or more months, she should have the legal right to rid herself of that parasite.
Also, I do not always agree with abortion. The aforementioned explanation applies to all women except those who simply failed to use protection AND have consequently decided not to keep the child after the first trimester.
If an individual is too stupid to protect herself, her punishment should be to carry that fetus for nine or more months. If she was raped, her life/the child's life is in jeopardy, or she chooses to abort during the first trimester, her rights should not be questioned.
If she simply wants an abortion out of convenience, I do not agree.
Abortion should not be a pro-life or pro-choice debate; it should be a pro-circumstance decision.
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
Dolt: a stupid person. Well, that's fairly straight forward:
quote: Its just that its hard to compromise due to the fact that if we felt we just wanted to kill somebody because we couldn't deal with the haslle(hastle however you spell it) its just like having an abortion before we deal with the hasell(hastle). You know?
quote: Yet a childs existance should be decided for it?
quote: If you're 16 I can understand if you want an abortion because you don't want to give birth or go through with the embarassment at school.
quote: Cocaine users are definately harmed by cocaine, fetuses are definately harmed by abortion. People that surround the users of cocaine may be harmed, and a mother having an abortion may be harmed.
quote: abortion is killing a fetus, so therefore it is dangerous to the user of the abortion and the people that surround it
quote: Yes, and why should the mother have more rights then the fetus? They are both living human beings. One is just older and more developed. And that is pretty much saying that age and development give someone more rights. Should a 18 yr. old have more rights then a 5 yr. old since its older?
quote: This may be but making abortion illegal saves much more lifes then keeping it legal. Mothers aren't always going to get harmed while trying to perform her own abortion, so it saving more lifes!
quote: She can continue her life after the pregnancy, yet after an abortion the child cannot. If everyone was about freedom and the right to choose, then why not support the unborns right to have freedom and the right to choose how it's own life will be.
Hmm. What were you saying now, Bog?
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
Religious: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity; of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances; scrupulously and conscientiously faithful; fervent, zealous:
<No need for quotes; you all bring God into everything>
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
quote: I love how the term "fanatical, religious dolts" is bestowed upon people who want to defend innocent human lives.
Let's dissect this, shall we? :
Fanatical: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion. See: extremist, rabid, radical, revolutional, revolutionary, revolutionist, ultra, ultraist:
quote: What if there is a woman out there who is about to get pregnant and since she cant afford it, she decides to abort it
quote: If all women should be able to choose then what about the ones that have been "choosen" to die instead of given the right to live?
quote: just got out of class and we were almost through discussing about LABOR and pregnancy and i just hope those who aborted their children for the reason that they DONT LIKE IT AND WANTS TO GET RID OF IT, then all i can say is that you are a cold, heartless person. ALL OF US WERE BABIES BEFORE AND IF YOU CANT APPRECIATE YOUR BABY AND IF YOU BLAME YOUR UNWANTED PREGNANCY BECAUSE OF CARELESSNESS DONT EVER BLAME THE BABY
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
The bottom line here is that once the child is a child and you abort it, you are in fact mudering a child. This leaves us to ask when the child becomes a child. Is it when the sperm contacts the egg, or is it a couple of days, weeks, or months later? Is the child not a child until it is born? If the argument is that we are not doing anything wrong in murdering the child because the child cannot yet think or understand it exists, what then do we say about the rights of those that are in a coma or have advanced alzheimers? Are their rights forfeit due to their lack of self actualization and perception? I think the only way that a compromise will be reached on this issue is if science and religion can agree exactly when an egg and sperm become a child, or more importantly a life.
"Mac, you ever been in love?" - "No, I've been a bartender all my life."
quote:But it is her body and life that is affected. You are ignorant to this fact. You claim to have compassion for all people saying you want to save lives, but you ignore kids that are already born and people that are already living.
No yogore, I am well aware of that fact thank you. I just think that it's important to help those who can not defend themselfs. People think that they can do whatever they want to the unborn because they hav no voice of their own to speak. I think that the babys life hold top priorty over the mothers lifestyle. She can continue her life after the pregnancy, yet after an abortion the child cannot. If everyone was about freedom and the right to choose, then why not support the unborns right to have freedom and the right to choose how it's own life will be.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
quote: It's also the babys life NOT hers, thate being chose.
But it is her body and life that is affected. You are ignorant to this fact. You claim to have compassion for all people saying you want to save lives, but you ignore kids that are already born and people that are already living.
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quote: She should make the decision for herself, not the government or any of you fanatical, religious dolts.
I love how the term "fanatical, religious dolts" is bestowed upon people who want to defend innocent human lives. Are we really doing anything out of the ordinary that we deserve such a fantastic name? I also love that as soon as you admit that the killing of a human is wrong, you are all of a sudden a “religious freak.”
quote: It's also the babys life NOT hers, thate being chose.
They somehow always happen to forget that crucial element.
If you are pro-choice you "acknowledge the radical notion that women are people, too."
It is her body, her choice, and her life: not yours. She should make the decision for herself, not the government or any of you fanatical, religious dolts.
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
quote: You talk about abortion like it's a black and white issue, it is not! Things are more complex than good and bad.
For almost any other topic, you would be correct. But, you see, the main element in the abortion issue is that a human person is killed. A life is being taken away. Whenever the life of a human person is brought into the topic (especially this one), it is not a black and white issue.
quote: BUT nevertheless there are situations in wich women need to be able to have abortions.
How many of the 1,500,000 abortions a year in the U.S. are "needed"? How many are used as birth control? Wouldn't you rather have abortion completely outlawed and save the lives of all the babies that would have been aborted as a form of birth control, than have abortion legal and have millions of lives killed as a form of birth control? Even if some women would have illegal abortions (people have this misconception that all the women do it themselves in their own bathrooms with hangers, but the truth is, they would most likely have it done by a doctor who would break the law), the number would be so small compared to the number with legal abortions. There is no comparison, really.
quote:A women that would try to illegally know that she would be puting her own life in danger before even doing it, just like she knew that by willingly havig sex she could get pregnant. And not every pregnant woman is going to try to perform an illegal abortion. Millions of lifes would be saved by ending abortion, and only few would be hurt by illegal abortions. Which risk are you willing to take?
quote:(because you are killing something that's alive and would become a person)
If you have already established that part then why support the choice of murder?
quote:Also you can't make it illegal because then women will recur to illegal abortions(wich could be dangerous).
A women that would try to illegally know that she would be puting her own life in danger before even doing it, just like she knew that by willingly havig sex she could get pregnant. And not every pregnant woman is going to try to perform an illegal abortion. Millions of lifes would be saved by ending abortion, and only few would be hurt by illegal abortions. Which risk are you willing to take?
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
You talk about abortion like it's a black and white issue, it is not! Things are more complex than good and bad. I do not like abortion(because you are killing something that's alive and would become a person) and it definitely should not be used as birth control, BUT nevertheless there are situations in wich women need to be able to have abortions. Also you can't make it illegal because then women will recur to illegal abortions(wich could be dangerous). I think the best thing would be to give better sex education in schools to try to impede so many unwanted pregnancies, but I truly believe the option has to remain.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
quote:I agree with you, it's just that it's not my decision to make!
A life is something that nobody should be able to decide, except for the one who's life is in question.
quote:Well, I'm not pro-abortion because I don't like it. But I think it's a women's right to choose. By definition, pro-choice is you support a women's right to choose about what she does with her body. Not choosing about smoking you idiot.
Pro choice is a politcal term. Pro choice is in favor of people being able to choose things that are relevant in their life.
quote:you idiot.
It's like the pot calling the kettle black. Before calling others names, maybe you should take into consideration the possiblities of you being the same.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
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