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Registered: December 10, 2003
Posts: 1081
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With the trickles of info. that are coming out on John Kerry the Democrat-Presidential front runner, does he have too much of Republican qualities to be elected as a Democratic-President. What I mean is with every peace of legislation that George Bush has signed into law, John Kerry has agreed with Bush, on the war in Iraq, Kerry too agreed with Bush, with President Bush's no child left behind peace of legislation, Kerry again agreed with the President. Kerry says the President was wrong about the war in Iraq(WMD's), wrong on the economy, and just wrong on all the issues, who should we really believe?...
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Registered: December 10, 2003
Posts: 1081
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Where along the line did we get from comparing John Kerry a Democrat-with certain Republican qualities to those of the "Communist-Manifesto"?...(Woosaaa)...Are certain indivisuals impling that the state of this Gov't. is run by "Commies" and Tyrannian-President?...Somewhere alomg the line you lost me between FDR-Communism,--Marxism... quote:
What does all this have to do with the state of being in an upcomming Presidential election?...
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Registered: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1072
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Thanks, Joey, with your links, I'm reading the Communist Manifesto for the first time. I agree with 99% of the first section, I,Bourgeois and Proletarians, but the second section, it's passable, sometimes thought-provoking historical analyis. However, the second sectio, II, Proletarians and Communists, is fundamentally flawed in several ways. While hyping the destructive power of the burgeois, it far underestimates the older power of despotism, which I think is ultimately why the Soviet Union failed to make a Communist state. That section is also a bit harshly reactionary and cold, also rather arrogant.
I agree with only two of the ten planks, turns out I'm not a Communist by your definition.
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Registered: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1072
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You don't believe that someone with a differing opinion CAN be an American, you aren't very far from supporting a police-state.
"Either you agree or you disagree. Either an American or a Communist."
THAT is the Bush platform. You don't give a damn about the republic, you don't care about rights or equality. You're right in there with all the right-wingers. No matter how many times you call Bush a leftist, you still have the same ideology. You're stuck in the 1950's, and being stuck back there, completely fail to discern differences between social programs and state-run means of production. You ACTUALLY SAID
"The Constitution is not for Communists, it's for patriots."
You have no interest in the American form of government. NO ONE should EVER take you seriously. Go live in a shack somewhere counting money and staring at your reflection.
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<JoeyDauben>
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Comrade, for the love of God, please, spare us your "FDR-communism-saved-us" BS.
PrePaidLunch, maybe you don't understand the meanings of what you or others believe.
If you are for MORE government control of everything, people's lives, their economies, etc., then you are MORE towards the communist form of government.
There are "right-wingers" who would totally abolish the republic in order to carry out a police state-dictatorship, much like what we're seeing now.
I find it very amusing that all the Marxists will get so offended by having their views compared to that of well, Marx' Communist Manifesto.
If you're for the Ten Planks, then I'm sorry, you're a Communist.
It's as simple as that.
Either you agree or you disagree. Either an American or a Communist.
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Registered: October 05, 2002
Posts: 399
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If you are trying to debate the fact that the Confederation was not a nation please stop. Even if it's not true that's what just bout everyone in the South believed and that's what bout as many believe now. I'm sorry England didn't think America was a nation and after we won the Revolution they kept pestering us until a whole nother war broke out. They wouldn't let it go that they got beat. Why would the South give up any more easily?
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Registered: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1072
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Nation? See, there's the problem.
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Registered: October 17, 2003
Posts: 4624
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He's trying to win votes just like Dean when he went to church with Carter. Kerry is to much of a dunce if you ask me. He's screwed up to much, he doesn't have a chance. -Sunset 
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Registered: October 05, 2002
Posts: 399
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Actually, I really don't think that Kerry can carry the South (no pun intended) because I live in the South and I've heard a lot of people down here's opinion. No one in the South has forgotten FDR and most of us actually do have the utmost respect for him, even if we are on the right. Every region causes its own problems, not just the South. And maybe we didn't fully cooperate in the Reconstruction but if you just lost a war would you be willing to work alongside the nation that beat you? I don't really think so.
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Registered: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1072
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Ignorant? So, John Kerry can't win the South because he's a northeastern liberal, right? Of course, the South refuses to remember northeastern liberal Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who succeeded at least partially to revive the South from its poverty, a poverty that wouldn't have been as great if it weren't for the South's lack of cooperation during Reconstruction, when northeastern liberals tried to rebuild the South. The South causes its own problems. That's what it means.
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Registered: February 08, 2004
Posts: 123
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I don't understand, why do you assume there are so many communists and socialists in America? Why is every leftist a socialist, I mean, not every right-winger is a facist.
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Registered: February 08, 2004
Posts: 123
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Get your facts straight, as a supporter of Kerry I feel compelleded to mention that he has one of the most left-wing voting records in the U.S. Senate. See: http://www.gop.com/RNCResearch/read.aspx?ID=3412I understand there is a sort of "reverse-bias" working here, but I trust the GOP not to blatantly lie on their website. I'm sorry that you are wrong.
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Registered: October 30, 2002
Posts: 608
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It's attack on the South. Basically he's implying that the South is a backward place that's too "stupid" for "enlightened" liberals/socialists/communists.
Anyway, it's an arrogant and ignorant comment to make. The Democrats can't afford to totally alienate such an enormous region. If they do, they will continue to lose support, and will ultimately collapse.
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Registered: October 05, 2002
Posts: 399
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Just curious..but what is quote: If the south doesn't want to get saved from itself, too bad for it.
suppossed to mean?
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Registered: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1072
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Kerry doesn't even HAVE to win the South. If the south doesn't want to get saved from itself, too bad for it.
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Registered: October 05, 2002
Posts: 399
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I think that Kerry won't even get elected so it doesn't really matter. There is no way he will carry the South and I feel bad for him. I think that Bush will kill whatever Democrat runs this year. The whole party is just too divided.
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<JoeyDauben>
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Have you people not read the damn Republican Party platform?
Nowhere near it does Kerry even come close.
Nowhere near it does Bush even come close, minus a few tax cuts and half-privatizing health care issues.
So the question really should be: Is Bush too much of a socialist Democrat?
And the answer of course, would be a resounding yes. The record proves it.
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Registered: October 30, 2002
Posts: 608
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Are you kidding me? Kerry is the token-Massachusetts liberal. This is a man who voted with Ted Kennedy 95% of the time. Speaking of Kennedy, a lot of people view Kerry as more liberal than Ted. For instance, Americans for Democratic Action (a radical left wing group) gave Kerry a 93 percent lifetime rating while they gave Ted Kennedy only an 88 percent lifetime rating.
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