Seriously what the hell is up with Bums living off my tax money? Tax money that can be used for something useful and social security isn't any better with social security it's old people living off my money! Really this means there are a whole bunch of useless non doing anything people living off my tax dollars. WTF!? man that is complete bullshit! I can understand supporting single mothers and the like but the guys on the streets? give them money? screw that give them a place to sleep and a job of some kind let them produce something for society. And old people? hell let them work a few more years we're living longer we should be working longer I don't want to pay for granny's hip transplant and vacation to Europe! Heck they should be glad we don't have African Tribal style social security here when their old people become useless they just put'em out for the Hyenas.

Okay thats my rant comments?

Yeah orphans and widows I can understand as I've said they need the hep otherwise the only help yer tail is getting is findin a job

See those parts of the Bible I can agree with.

I don't really mind welfare in general, just when its giving money to a crack addict, or a perfectly able-bodied person who could get a job but doesn't want to, ect. If you look at the Bible (I'm not looking for a debate on if the Bible has a say in politics, I'm just throwing this out for Christians to ponder) it says "take up the cause of the widow and the fatherless" but also "he who does not work shall not eat" so, take care of your country, but don't let the lazy thieve from the citizen's pockets.

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We could give every one decent quality of life thta's what welfare in the US attempts to do but I've worked in soup kitchens and talked to the owners and sucj and ya'know most of 'em if they get cash they go buy booze money will not solve this problem

That is true. Many underpriviledged and homeless people suffer from mental illness, depression and addiction to acohol and drugs. To have to live with these things is not a decent quality of life. More needs to be done to help with rehabilitation and recovery from addiction and mental illness. And I know many people would argue that these people do not want help or refuse help for their illness/addiction, and that is true. But that is an inherent trait of the actualy mental illness or addiction, it is not their fault. We need to concentrate on helping them recover and give them incentives to WANT to recover.

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to be able to give every person a decent quality of life.

We could give every one decent quality of life thta's what welfare in the US attempts to do but I've worked in soup kitchens and talked to the owners and sucj and ya'know most of 'em if they get cash they go buy booze money will not solve this problem

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When did we become so concerned about ourselves that we can't even help our fellow man?

Because gov't. has turned away from it's true original purpose, to care for the well being of all of its people, not just those who are financially stable, but for everyone.

It may be different, since I'm Canadian, but anywhere in this country welfare will not give a dime to homeless people. The only help these people get is through charities and local volunteers. I think it's a shame, too. I mean, we live in a part of the world that has enough money and resources floating around to be able to give every person a decent quality of life. When did we become so concerned about ourselves that we can't even help our fellow man?

Our welfare system here has the right idea, but they don't do it right. The point is to give all the help possible to people on assistance in finding work and getting a better education. That way, they are getting a hand up instead of a hand out. They also offer paid childcare for parents looking for work, and even after they start working. But, the job search programs and the education that is offered is inadequate and just makes a person feel more helpless.

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That is much better than what we have now I like that idea a lot

It is a good program, but only 3 or 4 cities nationwide have taken this step to end homelessness. The city of Norfolk, Va. just happens to be one of them. I was born and raised in Norfolk, so I know first hand the troubles that are going on with homelessness, and welfare.

It's a show of where our governments priorities are, and they are not in the right place.

Gov. Mark R. Warner (D) has made it one of his top priorities to end homelessness in my state. And we do it through little federal government funding as well, the state mainly uses the surpluses in economic revenue through a consecutive balanced budget we have had for the past four years.

Now if a nationwide program like this was adopted, look at the possibilities that we would have.

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But in my state of Virginia we have a program to end homelessness throughout the Commonwealth. The program help those homeless individuals find jobs, medical attention, and a host of other incentives.

That is much better than what we have now I like that idea a lot

I see your point, but too look at it this way; When you get old and you've given your sweat, blood, and tears to insure that you'd have a secure financial future when you reach retirement, wouldn't you want the Gov't to supply some type of incentive for your hardwork to society?

But in my state of Virginia we have a program to end homelessness throughout the Commonwealth. The program help those homeless individuals find jobs, medical attention, and a host of other incentives.

Clearly this is a step in the right direction, but there will always be individuals who will try to manipulate the system that's why were having a hard time helping those who really need the help.