Read my first post again. The insurgents are killing fellow Iraqis because we're there. The longer we stay, the more people they kill.

How can you not see the connection?

Your ignorance is only slightly amusing.

I decided that I don’t want to argue over the accuracy of the death counts, so I will take another approach. Let’s say that I accept your number of Iraqi casualties.
What does that number prove? Why should that number change the way I view the war? If anything it should make me more pro-war, because a large amount of that number is terrorists killing their own people, which goes to show once again how evil the terrorists are.

It's interesting to note that AntiWar.com gets its casualty statistics from credible sources such as the Department of Defense, CENTCOM, and the Multi-National Force website.

Remember, it's not about who presents data, it's about where the data originally came from. In that sense, AntiWar.com is just as good a source as anything.

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And I'll ask you again, which unbiased place do you suggest we get our numbers from Nephilem?

How about you ask Fox News’s show host Alan Colmes

It doesn't matter what the death count is. There shouldn't be one at all. Yes, the majority of civilian deaths result from terrorist actions, but do you know why people set off roadside bombs and kill Iraqis? Because the Americans are there. It's as simple as that. We leave, they stop killing. We stay, they keep killing.

It's interesting to note that 3175 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq since the war began in 2003. That's higher than the death count on 9/11. What does that tell you?

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Many people on Fox think that the war has not gone well. They are not some war loving institution, that’s going to hide the level of death in Iraq.

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I also get some of my information from news organizations, like Fox News.

*raises eyebrow*

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Why don't we get the numbers from FOX? I'm sure they're unbiased and give you the right numbers...right?

Many people on Fox think that the war has not gone well. They are not some war loving institution, that’s going to hide the level of death in Iraq.

and that's why last time I watched FOX they didn't mention the war, right? Because they care so fucking much about dead Iraqis...or no correct that, I think they might have mentioned the war for like 5 minutes(max).
And I'll ask you again, which unbiased place do you suggest we get our numbers from Nephilem?

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Credible sources like the Iraq government. I also get some of my information from news organizations, like Fox News.

You HAVE to be kidding me...that's hilarious.

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I also get some of my information from news organizations, like Fox News.

Hahahaha

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Than where do you suggest we get stats from, Neph?

Credible sources like the Iraq government. I also get some of my information from news organizations, like Fox News.

Than where do you suggest we get stats from, Neph?

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Why don't we get the numbers from FOX? I'm sure they're unbiased and give you the right numbers...right?

Many people on Fox think that the war has not gone well. They are not some war loving institution, that’s going to hide the level of death in Iraq.

Also the Death toll set by the Iraqis, is smaller then the ones created by some of these anti war sites.
Also the death tolls are including terrorist killing civilians, and sectarian violence, so much of the civilian death is the fault of the terrorist, and the leaders of the sectarian violence, not the coalition.

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That’s what I thought. That site refers to the Iraq war as an American occupation, and is an antiwar group; there numbers have been indited as inflamed, and embellished.

Why don't we get the numbers from FOX? I'm sure they're unbiased and give you the right numbers...right?

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That’s what I thought. That site refers to the Iraq war as an American occupation, and is an antiwar group; there numbers have been indited as inflamed, and embellished.

And I am sure you would look at a Pro-war site where the numbers would be reduced.

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That’s what I thought. That site refers to the Iraq war as an American occupation, and is an antiwar group; there numbers have been indited as inflamed, and embellished.

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Those are the same numbers I got.

Where did you gat your numbers from?

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These numbers are put out by a very anti war group and are inflated. The casualty count is not that high, be careful were you get you information from.

Those are the same numbers I got.

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'Al Quaida are probably just a bunch of students, who with a coordinated police effort could be rounded up and imprisoned.

And that is the same group who laughed the biggest terrorist attack on the United States.
Sounds like a big underestimation of their capabilities to me.

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So far there has been a minimum Iraqi civilian death count of 57660 people, with the possibility of it being as high as 63428.

These numbers are put out by a very anti war group and are inflated. The casualty count is not that high, be careful were you get you information from.