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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
I was just watching a documentary called "Grass" today and I really recommend everyone who hasn't seen it to watch it.

ok, ok, sorry for responding to a really old thread here.... but i LOVE this movie, i own it and have been showing it too all of my friends. granted, it is not neutral, it's mroe pro-pot, but it still shows som very interesting information on the history of the drug war and how it got started and how its changed since the first anti-marijuana bill passed in the 1910's. plus, it is a lot of good (and really funny) original footage of marijuana-related movies, as well as posters and headlines.

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
If you legalized pot, and as many people smoked pot as people do cigarettes, and drink beer, pot would probably kill just as many people.

bullshit. just because it illegal doesnt mean ppl wont do it.
every1 i kno does it and they r fine

Yep, really.

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Originally posted by NuShoesAgain:
We could also run cars off of crack cocaine. As long as it's flammable it'll work. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

really?

If you legalized pot, and as many people smoked pot as people do cigarettes, and drink beer, pot would probably kill just as many people.

We could also run cars off of crack cocaine. As long as it's flammable it'll work. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Honestly, pots not bad at all. With hemp, we can make tones of things. In fact, if we wanted to, we could even run our CARS off of hemp. In fact, I thin a lot of people look over the fact of how much we can do with hemp. The solution to oil problems in the US and Canada? GROW MORE POT.

Don't believe me? Check out Jello Biafra's -Grow more pot. The man has some astounding points.

Plus, alcohol (beer) is a problem in some countries, I'm not just talking about US. What can you do with beer? Not much, just get drunk. To me, marijuana has waaaaay more potential to do anything in this world then beer.

And so too can pot. All the more reason not to legalize it: We have enough problems.

I find it funny how you all say that both pot and tabacco cause mental dependencies, and nobody mentions the fact that alcohol can cause the same thing. Alcoholism is a very real problem and has ruined more lives than either. Sure a few hippies got arrested, and parents all over America won't let the kiddies out of their sight, because of pot, but what about the families that are torn apart by abusive, uncontrolable, and irresponsible drunks? My dad is a 12 year member of Alcoholics Anonyms, before he became dry he was in the bar after work almost everyday and if not he was at home with a drink. Not a great way to raise two kids. The after effects of his alcoholism brough depression almost 8 years later. Tabacco may cause cancer, and you may get arrested for pot, but alcohol might very consume the person you once were and may never be again.

I've known more addicted potheads than alcoholics over the years. This is what pot is one the most dangerous drugs on earth: There are so many misconceptions and bogus propaganda about it.

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Originally posted by PoliticalStandpoint:
The only reason it's illegal is because greedy mr. government over there doesn't know how to control it well enough to tax it.

And look at Amsterdam! There're chillin out over there....

And would you rather have a herbal refresher, rastafarian style, or a peace of paper wrapped around tar, cynide, and all the other crap they put in that stuff. Besides, Pot is not addictive itself, the feeling of the high is what keeps people comming back. But you can quit it anytime, unlike cigerettes. You don't need a pot-patch.

I've never had a joint or a cigerette before, but if I had to choose, I'd go pot.

Well for the first part, that is NOT why it's illegal. You can still distill your own moonshine, and grow your own tobacco, but nobody does that. Why? It requires large amounts of time investment. The government would make a pretty penny off of legalized pot taxes. Just like they make huge amounts of money off of tobacco and booze.

Amsterdam is considering RE-instituting druge laws because their lax regulation is a huge draw to a bunch of undesirables.

And as for the addction issues: The CHEMICAL addiction from cigarettes is gone within two or three days. It's the mental dependence on the calming effects that keeps them coming back. And the same is true for pot.

Cigraettes are generally a dirty habit. But I'll tell you this: Stoners annoy the piss out of me. I live with two of them, haha. You can smoke a cigarette, enjoy it, and not be in an altered state for the next hour or two.

The only reason it's illegal is because greedy mr. government over there doesn't know how to control it well enough to tax it.

And look at Amsterdam! There're chillin out over there....

And would you rather have a herbal refresher, rastafarian style, or a peace of paper wrapped around tar, cynide, and all the other crap they put in that stuff. Besides, Pot is not addictive itself, the feeling of the high is what keeps people comming back. But you can quit it anytime, unlike cigerettes. You don't need a pot-patch.

I've never had a joint or a cigerette before, but if I had to choose, I'd go pot.

One single joint, in terms of tar and other toxic chemicals, is equivalent to between 1/2 and 3/4 of a pack of cigarettes. At a time when society is trying to eliminate smoking and other risk factors, the last thing in the world we need is something that's 10-15 times more potent than tobacco!

Pot, in two senses, is the most dangerous drug out there. First and foremost, it's got a following, a culture all its own, which sucks people in and keeps some wrapped in it. I haven't seem a magazine like "Tobacco Times" on the newsstands, but "High Times" is readily available. I haven't many hip-hop or reggae artists sing about their Marlboros, but they sure love to sing about their Mary Jane.

Also, pot is extremely dangerous in one other sense - there are a lot of folks out there who honestly believe it's "safe" to use, perhaps even "good for you". THAT misinformation is what makes it, in some ways, more dangerous than anything else.

P.S. Tobacco helps people with some diseases too, such as Parkinson's.

i don't know about an argument putting pot against beer, but here's a thought for pot vs. cigarettes. nicotine is one of the most addicting drugs (smoking wise) there is. nicotine is also more deadly because there's more crap in it. pot is less addicting then nicotine. it is also less deadly because it's a natural plant. it's not a bunch of chemicals mixed with shit like rat poison and then nicotine. also, ever wonder why cigarettes are made with filters and when someone says they smoke filterless everyone else gets all like "ewwww". however, i've never heard of anyone smoking weed through a filter. nobody sees the need. infact, i'm pretty sure anyone who did smoke that with a filter would be viewed as some weird dumbass. also, cigarettes pt you at higher risk for heart and lung disease. they just make you sick. pot has been prescribed to patients to help ease their suffering when they are sick. just think about all that and then wonder.... out of the 2, pot is the one that's illigal. not to say either is OK or good for you. but picture this, someone puts a knife and a gun on the table infront of you. then you are given the choise to either cut your self somewhere or put the gun in your mouth and shoot. i'd pick the first. so, smoke the cigs. and make your body more and more sick and more and more addicted or, smoke the pot and have fewer bad things happen to your body

I do think alcohol is bad. But its peoples choice to do it. If you do not want to drink it, just firmly say no and no matter what, DONT DO IT.

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Pee contains urea. Some tobacco companies add urea to cigarettes. Do you really want to be smoking pee?

I read that urea is also found naturally in tobacco leaves. Just because urea is in pee doesnt mean that if urea is in cigarettes that your smoking pee. Water is also in pee, that doesnt mean if your drinking water your drinking pee.

johnnykiller i agree with you.

well i was reading through the posts a little bit more and i would have to say that i agree with jamaica17 i don't think that we need any of them around but if they were all ileagal that there would be so much crime we wouldn't know what to do with. If we make them all leagal crime goes down and death rate goes up so eventually most of the non-users are alive and the others die of their own stupidity by drugs shortening their life, over dose, or being murdered by another. this includes alcohol.

I think humans will cause their own extinction

In this situation there is alot of stuff to talk about. both of the drugs are good and bad but the government legalizes one and not the other. you can't really compare the 2 because one is legal and the other isn't. Every one says beer is good for you and it's better than all the illeagal drugs but that is when consumed in moderation and i dont think people go to bars to drink in moderation. People die all of the time from alcohol poisoning but i don't recall people overdosing on pot. They say that pot alters your emotional state well if beer doesn't why are there so many people dying in bar fights. I understad that people get in accidents and some of them were using drugs like pot but most were using alcohol which is also the highest cause of car accidents in 2002 17,000 out of 40,000 accidents were caused by alcohol and i didn't see anything about pot. well there is plenty that each party can say about the other. It is sad that pot gets over looked and i don't think that it will be leagal anytime soon but in the future it should be. If you want more on my opinion just ask.

I personally believe both Pot and Beer are horrible substances that shouldn't be used at all. I don't care if a person is even of age (21+ in US) to drink. I believe Beer should be totally illegal to everyone. Yes, it would just make people want it more... but that just shows how much they don't care about themselves and how many issues they have with themselves. I also believe Pot should stay illegal and I don't care how many people out there say it should be legal. I don't care if you say it should just be legalized for medical problems. Next you know, we'll have our grandparents addicted to some substance that we don't even want our nations teens doing (nor any other generation). I think this is a horrible topic. Pot vs. Beer... Pffsh, Next time ask us if we'd rather choose to be mentally disabled or a vegatable.