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Picture of TwinsFan
Registered: January 25, 2005
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Is anyone else outraged by what is happening to Terry Schiavo in Florida. Is there no one left who values human life on all levels? Do people not understand that removing her feeding tube means that they are going to STARVE her to death. This is WORSE than abortion. The US Supreme Court has refused to reinstate the Florida legislature's attempt at saving this woman's life. MURDER IS NOW LEGAL IN UNITED STATES!!


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Registered: March 30, 2005
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The person you've killed through execution has experienced life, and then be ripped away from it, albit peacefull, perhaps unjustly. The person could have been innocent (Not very likely), but do you really want to take chances? The fetus has not functioned yet, or seen the world, therefore it cannot actually feel like it will miss something.


"I imagine a lot of people tune in simply to watch reporters get bitch-slapped by Mother Nature, and frankly, who can blame them?� Anderson Cooper
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Registered: December 14, 2004
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Celtic is not Redjill.


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Registered: February 22, 2002
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I don't care when criminals die. They have little purpose in society. I'd say, take the good out of them, and then boom! shot...


Your shock value, Redjill I mean Celtic, has little effect on me. Stop saying outrageous things just to shock people, because everyone knows you don't believe what you say and it is making you look like a jerk.


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Registered: December 14, 2004
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Then tell me who should!


No one should. That was the point of my post.

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No, the only way to prevent the execution of innocent people is to abolish crime.


I should have said the only way to prevent the execution of innocent people in court is to abolish the death penalty.


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You people never complain when one mother wants to have an abortion, but you are infuriated when 12 jurors unamisouly decided to execute somone who is guilty of a crime.


In the case of abortion, you are not killing a fully, functioning human being. You are killing (not even killing actually because the zygote is not alive) potential life.


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Registered: December 11, 2003
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No, the only way to prevent the execution of innocent people is to abolish crime. You people act like only the US government kills people but you are wrong.


You're asking for it to stop snowing in Iceland.

I don't care when criminals die. They have little purpose in society. I'd say, take the good out of them, and then boom! shot...


"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: February 22, 2002
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The only to prevent the execution of innocent people is to abolish the death penalty.


No, the only way to prevent the execution of innocent people is to abolish crime. You people act like only the US government kills people but you are wrong.

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Juries and judges should determine the sentences and fines of convicts.


Do you not understand trials. The Judge should do those things and the jury should determine guilt or innocence.

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However, when it comes to execution I don't think a jury/judge should have the power to give a death sentence.


Then tell me who should! You people never complain when one mother wants to have an abortion, but you are infuriated when 12 jurors unamisouly decided to execute somone who is guilty of a crime. You people are like enigmas within enigmas when it comes to your contradictions.


Marine 16 - the man, the myth, the legend
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Damn it! I always fall for the "wrong" ones!


Hey, I'm not violent if I like you.


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Registered: March 30, 2005
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The only to prevent the execution of innocent people is to abolish the death penalty. I have plenty of faith in the justice system. Juries and judges should determine the sentences and fines of convicts. However, when it comes to execution I don't think a jury/judge should have the power to give a death sentence.

Of course they shouldn't be able to!

I happen to be one of those people who doesn't support the death penalty but does support Michael Schiavo's decision to pull her feeding tube. What is the point in her living? Would she have wanted it? That we will never know, but just breathing and doing nothing else? It doesn't seem sensible. Like clpo said, she would have died on the day of her heart attack. And yes, it was a heart attack that happenedafter the car crash and after she had put herself through bulimia. This happened two months ago, of course it was an important case, on that will be used as a precedent, but it is over.


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Full proof to who? You? There is proof enough to me that a jury of his peers decided that he was guilty and sentenced him to death. You are not the judge and jury, the judge and jury are. If no one had faith in the justice system, there would be anarchy.


The only to prevent the execution of innocent people is to abolish the death penalty. I have plenty of faith in the justice system. Juries and judges should determine the sentences and fines of convicts. However, when it comes to execution I don't think a jury/judge should have the power to give a death sentence.


They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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Often, there is never full proof that they are guilty.

Full proof to who? You? There is proof enough to me that a jury of his peers decided that he was guilty and sentenced him to death. You are not the judge and jury, the judge and jury are. If no one had faith in the justice system, there would be anarchy.


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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And yes, I am a clinical psycopath.


Damn it! I always fall for the "wrong" ones!


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Registered: March 09, 2004
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Cletic, you support the killing of innocent people and you are a sad person. I bet your parents are very proud fo what you have become.



this coming from someone who supports the murder of innocent women and children.


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Registered: May 15, 2005
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i am. its just as bad as euthenasia. im sure they sedated her so that she wouldnt feel the pain (cuz she could)but it is still wrong. The parents (who raised her) coulndt even make a decision. our government is going down the drain.


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Registered: December 14, 2004
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Marine, many conservatives supported Michael Schiavo's desicions to remove his wife's feeding tube? This was not a complete liberal vs. conservative battle.

I can't believe that we are still arguing about this. But while we are on topic, Schiavo's husband had every right to remove the feeding tube under FL law. This was a personal choice and should never have become a national issue. Yes, Schiavo was innocent, but she was also brain dead.

I suppose there is a bit of hypocracy among people who oppose the death penalty and supported removing the feeding tube. I'm willing to admit that. However, with the death penalty, full-functioning humans are executed. Often, there is never full proof that they are guilty. Aboltion of the death penalty would ensure that an innocent person would never die. Schiavo was never going to recover and she was doomed to spend the rest of her life in a vegatative state.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Clpo, Schiavo wasn't in her condition because of a heart attack, do research before you make such an outrageous claim.


Whatever. It was a "drastic medical event". Stroke, heart attack, brain failure, whatever. The point is, she suffered from something that turned a major portion of her brain into spinal fluid. And that part is true. Doubtful? Do some research.


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Registered: December 11, 2003
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Cletic, you support the killing of innocent people and you are a sad person. I bet your parents are very proud fo what you have become.


Celtic, Celtic, CELTIC. C-E-L-T-I-C.

Yes, they're very proud. I'm brilliant, an excellent student, haven't done drugs, etc.

And yes, I am a clinical psycopath. In which case, I don't care if you die or if all world leaders die or of the tsunami victims. In fact, I don't give a flying **** who dies, unless they are my mom or my sister or my grandparents. I'd say my boyfriend, but even him I think I'd get over quickly.

I'm sorry (ok, I'm not sorry) that you must pretend to care about someone you didn't know, much less loved. I'm not sorry that you, to be politically correct, defend innocenct people as if your life would change if they died, which wouldn't happen.

How am I sad? Because I am honest of reality, and well-aware of it? Bull. I'd be much sadder if I needed to fake caring and fake right-wing views. I shouldn't have said the latter because even liberals I terrify.

Back on topic.

No, they shouldn't have starved her to death. They could have done something quick. Starving her to death only increased everyone's agony; her own (yes, hunger is felt whether you are braindead or consious), her family's, and everyone else who just wanted to watch TV one night and was interrupted by news on a corpse who breathed.

This Terry thing was way overreacted upon. People are braindead in many places, many in similar situations, many who have also been killed for it. But nooo, they had to act as if this had never happened before, when indeed it has, many times.


"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: February 22, 2002
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Clpo, Schiavo wasn't in her condition because of a heart attack, do research before you make such an outrageous claim.

Cletic, you support the killing of innocent people and you are a sad person. I bet your parents are very proud fo what you have become.


Marine 16 - the man, the myth, the legend
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Besides the fact that your "hypothetical" is completely different from this case.


Not really. Terri had absolutely no chance of recovery. She would have been a vegetable no matter what. Heck, half her brain was simply gone. And brains just don't grow back on their own.

I find it funny that you go on about letting nature run its course when Terri Schiavo should have died when she had that heart attack. But I suppose the doctors knew best when they put her on the feeding tube, right?


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Registered: December 11, 2003
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The crazy thing is that liberals are against the death penalty but where the main supports of Schiavos husband wanting to euthenize her. Does no one else see the hyporcacy.


Three mistakes: it's "were" in this case. Also, "Shiavo's", because it was used as meaning "the husband of Shiavo". Of course, it's "hypocrisy", but since I am not sure on that one myself (alas), I won't count it.

And no, I am not against the death penalty. I say everyone useless should be killed. I guess you can even say I am pro-death.


"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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