I am simply trying to find out what your thoughts are on Illegal Immigration. And if I am in the wrong area I apologize, but the topic seems to fit.

Question:
Is Illegal Immigration a serious issue in America?

Choices:
Yes
No
I don't know
I don't care

 

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Yes, actually, many illegal immigrants do have visas. They over stayed them for whatever reason. so clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about.

All right, illegal immigrants don't have valid visas. Happy now?

That was implied in my post.

illegals can't work at mickey d's. they work farm fields or they're in construction. lol

illegal immigration isn't an issue,
yes they take jobs of the low wage like in grease buckets of mickey d's and burger king and such.. but its not an issue to those who just sit on their butts and collect unemployment... and employers are going to rather hire a person that speaks english rather than someone who speaks broken english... so no its not a problem its just lazy americans that don't want to go get a job and want to complain about the illegal immigrants taking their possible jobs when they wont go look at them cuz they're "too good"

[QUOTEIllegal immigrants in the United States don't even have those.
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Yes, actually, many illegal immigrants do have visas. They over stayed them for whatever reason. so clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Some illegal immigrants came over as babies and children, so they had no choice and no understanding that they were doing something illegal. They were raised as Americans, thinking they were normal American kids, only to learn later in life that they aren't legal. To help normal, American kids like them, go to www.dreamact.info to find out about a proposed law that would help them become legal residents. It's supported by Obama and McCain, religious conservatives and liberals.

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Originally posted by marinab:
clpo13, it is not the same in every country. some european countries will treat non-citizens.

i get what you're saying about not helping illegal immigrants, but, in a way, don't you think that if america can help, then it should?!

Well, I don't know that much about the immigration laws of other countries, but it's my understanding that visas are needed in order to stay for a long-period of time, and the benefits stemming from having a visa are probably what you're talking about (unless there's something completely different I don't even know about). Illegal immigrants in the United States don't even have those.

My main problem is that non-citizens are taking up resources that could better be put to use helping out U.S. citizens in need. We should help out our own before helping out anyone else.

yeah, bcuz we do so well when we help people.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Even so, I still think that if you're here illegally, you're here illegally. There's no two ways about it. No citizen benefits for non-citizens. It's the same in every country, so I don't see why America should be any different.

clpo13, it is not the same in every country. some european countries will treat non-citizens.

i get what you're saying about not helping illegal immigrants, but, in a way, don't you think that if america can help, then it should?!

you fell for my trap. lolzz

lol, my great grandparents came from ireland and poland.

while the other half of my family can be traced to the 1600s and jamestown.

clpo, i thought you would at least know by now that i am crazy. i have different "personalities" for yn depending on my mood. that day i was in my "i'm going to piss off somebody mood so that way they'll argue me." well sometimes i'm always in that mood just because i love pushing buttons.

lolz. i love you. i do. you've always been my favorite. you put much effort and insight into your posts. you get a gold star. ^.6

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all immigrants can suck it.

You do realize this is a nation of immigrants...right?

At any rate, I definitely agree that the system needs to be streamlined. Too many people don't see the benefit of becoming legal citizens because it's easier for them to trek across the desert, brave the Border Patrol, and take under-paid jobs. It's kind of sad to think that's the preferred alternative for many people.

Even so, I still think that if you're here illegally, you're here illegally. There's no two ways about it. No citizen benefits for non-citizens. It's the same in every country, so I don't see why America should be any different.

Okay, so it only took like 8 or 9 posts for us to get it straight... and we kinda agreed all along. lmao

all immigrants can suck it.

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When it comes to this statement I admit that when I posted the section in all caps I neglected to put the illegal into it, but I did also say that I know a lot of real, hardworking, and potentially productive and model citizens get screwed over by paperwork. Complicated, unnecessary, and difficult to understand paperwork.

That's more like what I'm trying to say. But so many people use that stereotype and make it seem like all illegal immigrants are evil criminals that it feels like reform will never happen. I'm not saying that all illegal immigrants should just automatically become citizens, but their should be a way for undocumented immigrants who want to be American and pay taxes and follow the law to become legal residents. Especially illegal immigrant children, who had no choice in coming here, have learned English, and identify more as an American then whoever they originally were.

I'm not sure anymore. I'm not sure whether we really just don't understand each other or if you're purposefully screwing with me. lol ;D
Either way, I tried to slow down and think through what I was saying before I typed it in, because I find that even I can't understand my own incoherent ramblings sometimes. lol

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Originally posted by exaltedkernal:
LOL. No, your not being clear.
So let me get this cleared up: Illegal immigration is not just the stereotypes that your "purposely" saying. What I gave were real life examples of people who are, technically, illegal immigrants. They are not Mexicans, they came here on a plane, and they are hard working and willing to become legal citizens but they can't That's what I'm saying that your not getting.

Yes, you did give those examples, and I acknowledge that those people do exsist and that the system is what is flawed, not necessarily them. I know that not all immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are Mexican. What I was trying to get across was that there are all kinds of immigrants and that the system needs to be fixed to allow in those who intend to become good, productive citizens and also that the borders need to become more secure to keep out the stereotye I "purposely" mentioned and the criminals I've been "raving" about.

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Originally posted by exaltedkernal:
So, is that clear now? Or are you just going to rant about rapists and terrorists or whatever else it is?

WOW! I mentioned rapists and terrorists like once, at the end of my post, and I only meant that without secure borders anyone could come in, not that all who came in were terrorists/rapists. I also said that anyone who is using/abusing public services damn well better be paying taxes to support them and should (hopefully) be stimulating the economy by spending some of the money they earn here.

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Originally posted by Hoopdawg08:
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF IMMIGRANTS. I SAID THAT. YOU CAN'T SAY IT AND THEN TELL ME I DON'T GET THAT.

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Originally posted by exaltedkernal:
I said all kinds of ILLEGAL immigrants. Your the one who isn't getting that.

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When it comes to this statement I admit that when I posted the section in all caps I neglected to put the illegal into it, but I did also say that I know a lot of real, hardworking, and potentially productive and model citizens get screwed over by paperwork. Complicated, unnecessary, and difficult to understand paperwork.

Good luck to both of us! lmfao

In all seriousness, I hope everyone here at least realizes that at some point we're going to have to stop most immigration due to over-population... 400 million is a lot of people.

Maybe we won't have to stop immigration if the people in our generation aren't whores and have only one kid.

and exalted, your mis-spelled quote is really bothering my ocd-ness

LOL. No, your not being clear.
So let me get this cleared up: Illegal immigration is not just the stereotypes that your "purposely" saying. What I gave were real life examples of people who are, technically, illegal immigrants. They are not Mexicans, they came here on a plane, and they are hard working and willing to become legal citizens but they can't That's what I'm saying that your not getting.
So, is that clear now? Or are you just going to rant about rapists and terrorists or whatever else it is?
[QUOTE] THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF IMMIGRANTS. I SAID THAT. YOU CAN'T SAY IT AND THEN TELL ME I DON'T GET THAT. [QUOTE]

I said all kinds of ILLEGAL immigrants. Your the one who isn't getting that.

Alrighty, here's how I feel about this.

I don't care who you are or how you came here, all I care about is whether or not you are paying taxes.

There are people. thousands, who do not pay taxes, yet their children get to go to public schools and when they get sick they crowd our ERS for free.

Meaning we are paying the benefits for all these people who contribute nothing economically to our society.

So if someone thinks for one second that they can sit in our nation and NOT pay taxes while reaping all the benefits, they should be shot. seriously, or at least ripped from their homes and thrown back to wherever they came from.

Its not that simple, not everybody that fills up a form gets in. The US has a limited number of immigrant entries per year. The rest revert to the illegal way.

Also the answer isnt simply just let them all in legally because this will lead to a population crisis.

It is totally wrong. I mean why dont they do it the way every other civilized person would do. Get the papers. IT ALWAYS MAKES IT BETTER IN THE LONG RUN. But oh ya they just want to get here faster. WOOOPDEEDOO

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Originally posted by exaltedkernal:
People who just see stereotypes don't know what the real world's like, so I stand by what I wrote. You DON'T understand.

I think it's fabulous how your tunnel vision blocks out everything I said before and after the section you decided to re-post. And you accuse me of not knowing what the real world is like, and not understanding.

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All your doing is whining about stereotypes! Like I said, their's more illegal immigrants then that tired old stereotype your rehashing.

I don't think I was whining at any point in my post. All I did was state my position and say that the system needs fixing. Whining would be saying, "all those mexicans are ruining our country! why isn't it being stopped?!?" I don't think I typed that.

And like I acknowledged in my post: THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF IMMIGRANTS. I SAID THAT. YOU CAN'T SAY IT AND THEN TELL ME I DON'T GET THAT. I JUST POSTED IT BEFORE YOUR LAST POST.
Yeah, there were stereotypes, I did that on purpose. I am against the stereotypical illegal immigrant leech. (That one kind of person)

In the rest of my post I mentioned that I get that the system sucks. I get that lots of good people get screwed by the immigration system, and the system needs to be fixed, like, years ago. I am all for immigration, my family were immigrants at one point too. I just want to know who is in our country, I want to know if they are a terrorist, or a serial killer, or a rapist, or a child molester, or some other kind of criminal. I want to be sure that those who use our public systems pay taxes to keep them going, and are supporting our economy.

I don't get how you're still not getting this. I've been pretty clear.
Maybe next time you should try to read my whole post before you decide that I'm a racist and I believe nothing but stereotypes.