Please, don't make yourself look stupid "anarchist" of the world. Sure i'm all about your personal opinion on how the government should do their job..And sure rebelling is nice and all, but holy crap do you look dumb when you BUY(Key word: Buyn i.e support the government) Hats with anarchy symbols and shoelaces and jackets and shirts and stickers. That just really defeats the whole entire cause. Listen, if you have a cause..stick to it. And if you want to follow that cause, then maybe you should look it up a little bit before you go and be all condensending..you're making an original movement look mainstream and scene. Now don't get all steamed, i'm in no way shape or form putting you down because you're an anarchist i'm just saying..if you're really an anarchist, you're supposed to act like one and not just look the part..don't be rediculous. I think the word for it is " poser" . Anyone agree? Ecspecially if you believe in anarchy.

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What are you doing to fight injustice? Are you going out all the time and protesting against police brutality, a misguided war, corrupt school administrations, etc.?

Not a goddamn thing, and I never will. Why? Because in the grand scheme of things, that crap doesn't matter. Maybe I'm just incredibly apathetic and unable to care about people, but I don't see how that stuff is all that important. No matter how much you protest (Which does nothing anyway) and bitch and moan, things like this will always happen. Because it is human nature.

Anyway, most Anarchists just call themselves Anarchists for the sake of being a part of a group. Which is what teens and college-age kids tend to do, without thinking.

A guy came to my school once, and started speaking about how evil corporations are and the corruption of the U.S. government, and some very, very smart girls who listened to him pointed out how big of a hypocrite he was being, because the t-shirt whe was wearing was made by a company owned by a corporation that supported Bush. I just thought that was interesting.

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Certainly some don't do anything, but look at yourself or the millions of other teenagers and college-age students who do absolutely nothing. What are you doing to fight injustice? Are you going out all the time and protesting against police brutality, a misguided war, corrupt school administrations, etc.?

Precisely.
Making an unbacked claim and categorizing all anarchists as irresponsible or non comitted just shows how little you know about the movement. So far I've managed to go through all my jobs without putting money in a bank a single time, that may sound stupid, but when you know what banks invest your money in it's perfectly comprehensible if you're somewhat liberal and comitted to your ideals. Recently I opened my first bank account because people are in debt with me and the only possibility of recieving payment was through the bank, but otherwise I'd continue to hide my cash in a box under my closet at home

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Here's the roblem with Anarchist: You're a small group of, unthoughtful,non committed citizens that have no intention in changing the world, you sit on your asses too much..Do something, that is something to actually make your lives and ours better.

A small group of unthoughtful, non-committed citizens? Excuse me, I am not involved with anarchy (at least not to a full extent, as anarcho-syndicalism is something entirely different) but I am involved in student political movements and let me tell you something, there have always been amd will continue to be a strong anarchist presence. They are really the ones that always take the most risks, certainly getting in trouble, but ultimately speaking out on what they believe in. It's terrible misguided for you to malign them in this way. They're really a dedicated group of individuals.

Certainly some don't do anything, but look at yourself or the millions of other teenagers and college-age students who do absolutely nothing. What are you doing to fight injustice? Are you going out all the time and protesting against police brutality, a misguided war, corrupt school administrations, etc.?

Just think about that.

More likely she was a one shot wonder

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The... fuck does this mean? Judging by your spelling a grammer the only one making themselves look stupid is you. Also the whole point of a "debate" which is what this section of this fantastic website is for, is arguing stuff.

Amp... awww I think you hurt the poor newb's feelings. ;p He/She hasn't posted since.

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The weak and stupid will be decimated, while the strong will reign free

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and isn't that more natural? the only reason the weak and stupid survive at all is because of our society eliminating natural competition and creating special career fields for idiots (like bureacrats and management)

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just shut up all of you are talking about us making ourselfs look stupid you guys are arguing over it instead of against it.

The... fuck does this mean? Judging by your spelling a grammer the only one making themselves look stupid is you. Also the whole point of a "debate" which is what this section of this fantastic website is for, is arguing stuff.

The whole point of everything on this website is to talk about it.

just shut up all of you are talking about us making ourselfs look stupid you guys are arguing over it instead of against it.

People without government will be in fear of the chaos that will ensue. The weak will be decimated, while the strong, and stupid will reign free. the will be no law, no safety, and people will inevitably look toward a leader to help them in the chaos. (ie: viking invasions of the british isles) you cannot escape government. Anarchism is foolish. People are fickle and will praise government one moment and hate it the next. that's just the way things are. My friend, out of curiosity, i dont mean to insult you, but would you truly believe a world with no law would be better considering the earth's population?

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Here's the roblem with Anarchist: You're a small group of, unthoughtful,non committed citizens that have no intention in changing the world, you sit on your asses too much..Do something, that is something to actually make your lives and ours better.

You generalized, what did you expect?

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and shame on you for believing so and not reading my other posts.

you mean the 3 other posts you have? sorry, haven't seen them, are they on the same topic?

"Im taking you're words as a personal attack..."

excuse the fuck out of me, but do you honestly think that YOU were the ONE person I was talking about when I was saying how most "Anarchist" just put it on the stupid hats and stickers and say the things that they do? are you honestly calling yourself a poser? that's sad, im sorry that you really just were self absorbed enough to make my statement of the THOUSANDS of POSERS that I was aiming at, about you, get over yourself. I wasn't pointing out true anarchist, I was pointing the majority of fucking kids that have no passion for anything. it's not a personal attack and shame on you for believing so and not reading my other posts.And im not speaking like " Oh those thousand people i've met them all they aren't committed, ecspecially that speed charachter.." no, i'm talking about that want to be ignorant children of this generation. Congrats if you have speak and act with conviction..but it was not aimed toward anyone of your kind that do. I apologize.

Im taking you're words as a personal attack...

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Here's the roblem with Anarchist: You're a small group of, unthoughtful,non committed citizens that have no intention in changing the world, you sit on your asses too much..Do something, that is something to actually make your lives and ours better.

Sincerely, what the fuck do you know? Have you ever been to a demonstration? have you ever been clubbed and attacked by the police, have you ever been fined or sued on charges of civil disobedience? I sure as hell have and I'm proud of it.
Don't make assumptions about people when you know nothing about them.
First off, I write quite a bit, it's my way of doing something, you can try to read my blog at http://conceptosabstractos.blogspot.com, you probably won't understand anything on account of it being in spanish but you're welcome to try, do not call me or anyone else unthoughtfull unless you're willing to claim you're the first person with telepathy.
Second, do not call me or anyone else non committed. I've had my ass kicked for supporting my beleifs in demonstrations and protests, it is disrespectful for you to claim that anarchists are a bunch of irresponsible people that are unwilling to back up their ideology with actions.

haha leave that man alone! Anarchy IS something that's not natural, I mean, nowadays it is atleast. In the days of Emma Goldman, man oh man was that something beautiful. I talk as if I was there. Anyhow, the thing is..no one has the Gonads to pursue absolutely Anarchy by the book..or not by the book because if it was by a book then it wouldn't be anarchy. No one gets it, we need order..sure you can protest the way that ANY government is handeling things and putting things to order, but then you wouldn't be an anarchist..you would be a protester. And honestly, who in the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD needs anarchy in their everyday life? No one, it's a waste of energy. You could sit there, and bitch and moan and steal shit and not take showers and be pissy all the day long, or you can do something. Become and activist, make a dent in the world, take a stand, put new order..and a new way of thinking into the minds of people..and not in a " fuck this, over throw the government, steal everything..don't pay taxes" sort of way that's not even REALLY a way of living..how about putting the idea that we can live better, be in order better, feel better, and have a more fair government better.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
Nicely said, Margaret Mead...

Here's the roblem with Anarchist: You're a small group of, unthoughtful,non committed citizens that have no intention in changing the world, you sit on your asses too much..Do something, that is something to actually make your lives and ours better.

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Ants, termites and several species of birds modify their environment to survive...

Ok I'll refrain from that, they modify their environment to an extent, we literally destroy ours. Also, constructing isn't necessarily the same as modifying, building a nest isn't the same as irrigating waste land to cultivate it, or cutting down a forest to construct homes.
I could also point out that most birds are not social animals in the same sense as we are, and neither termites nor ants are sentient beings.

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...not quite sure what you are trying to say there.

I'm saying precisely that, natural is another way to say normal, standard, acceptable, when referring to nature. Since we as beings are not normal we can not classify anything regarding us as abnormal. Thus anarchy, communism, fascism, theocracy, etc... are all equally natural, because none of them are natural at all.

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In short, there is nothing strange, or antinatural about anarchy, as there is nothing natural about human society with which to make a comparison.

Re-read that last bit. If there isn't a standarized posture there can be nothing derivating from it because it is non existant, there can't be an unnatural because that requires the opposite to also exist, and in terms of human culture it doesn't.

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we are the only life form that requires modification to it's environment to survive, and our society's whole purpose is to change our surroundings and our environment in various ways to guarantee our survival. Talk about natural.

Ants, termites and several species of birds modify their environment to survive...

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give an example of chaos that has lasted more then a week.

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of at least one. Right after hurricane Katrina happened there was chaos for unfortunately much longer than one week.

But even if I couldn't find an example, you're whole reasoning is flawed anyway.
It's like making a claim that Communism will only work if an elephant starts mating with a camel in front of the Taj Majal during the month of August. Then when someone says prove it, you ask them for an example of when Communism has worked without that happening. Even if I couldn't find an example, it still doesn't prove that Communism only works if an elephant mated witha camel in front of the Taj Majal. Know what I'm saying?

And speed, I find it kinda ironic that you say this:

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the use of the term natural to define anything human is wrong.

, and then about 3 sentences down you say this:

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implying that there is a natural and thus an unnatural implies there is a right and a wrong

...not quite sure what you are trying to say there.
But, I wouldn't say that the word natural doesn't apply to humans. I mean, the idea of a person all of a sudden sprouting wings and flying away would be unnatural because its never happened in nature. And it will remain unnatural until nature has allowed it to happen, naturally.

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give an example of chaos that has lasted more then a week.

How about you define chaos so I can give you thirty references that fit your definition.

Also, the use of the term natural to define anything human is wrong. If we accept the behaviour of most social animals as natural we are completely antinatural; we are the only life form that requires modification to it's environment to survive, and our society's whole purpose is to change our surroundings and our environment in various ways to guarantee our survival. Talk about natural.
Also, implying that there is a natural and thus an unnatural implies there is a right and a wrong, and a finality or purpose to our existence, which in turn implies there is some sort of supernatural, or divinity.

In short, there is nothing strange, or antinatural about anarchy, as there is nothing natural about human society with which to make a comparison.

give an example of chaos that has lasted more then a week.

i'll be happy to learn if i'm wrong.

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chaos is unnatural, it can only last about six or seven days.

hmm...oh really? Not to be skeptical, (well, who am I kidding, I'm extremely skeptical) but where do you get off making a claim that chaos can only last about a week? You just kinda spit that one out there like its a fact.

I also have this thing where I believe that if something CAN happen and HAS happened, then it is natural. Chaos happens all the time, in so many different forms, whereas anarchy...I don't know, it always seems like there has been some sort of social environment with norms or laws in every culture throughout history. I mean, its only natural that people have continuously gathered together and agreed that some actions aren't tolerable and need to be punished or shunned. To me, anarchy just seems to be a completely pointless idea.

And I wouldn't be so hard on the so-called "posers". You can't really expect them to act like an anarchist when they live in a world where government influences practically everything. I mean, what are you gonna do? Fly to some deserted island, become a recluse, and claim that you live in anarchy because nobody is around to expect anything from you?