So here's question for us all.
Where do you all stand, on the political spectrum? More so, why do you support that position? What world leaders do you think best represented your causes?

Note: This is to intentionally spark a debate.

A DEBATE.
NOT A FLAMEWAR. State your position, and argue it.
Intelligence is a requirement.

I, personally, am an anarchist who stands about two steps away from being a communist/socialist.

I believe that the workers are the most important element of society, and should be given the best possible treatment under a government. When a classless society is achieved, everyone should be a worker.

I believe that people should be allowed to own weapons equivalent to an infantryman, that government should be completely neutral to all issues on gender, including marriage, and that religion should be seperated from the state.

What do you believe, do you disagree with my views, and why?

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Instead, it would be the removal of all barriers to a border, making the "U.S.", more of a geographical term

Been done before old boy. (Well not in america!)

My ideology? My ideology is not based on what the TV says. My ideology is not based on what other people say. My ideology is not based on utopian theorems. My ideology is not based on what "sounds wonderful in theory". I am not left-wing and I am not right-wing.

My ideology is very much one of reason and sense. I don't believe in having faith in something working - it must logically work. I don't believe in emotional decisions, the decisions must be based on what is best for us. I believe that the left wing is one of the most damaging diseases a society can experience. Not based on "us and them" but on the crazy things they believe will benefit us. More than often the right are morons too.
You guys put me on the spectrum.

Out of interest, where would someone who believes in ethnic cleansing but believes in destroying the beourgeios go? And where would someone who believes in banning same-race marriage but believes in slavery and agressive military expansion go?

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When a classless society is achieved, everyone should be a worker.

Two steps short? Your clearly in the red.

I’m terribly naive and idealistic so I walk the line between libertarian and anarchist.

My entire life I have watched individual people do more to better my city and to better countries then governments were able to do.

It’s just difficult for me to believe that a government is truly necessary. Individuals are more flexible and more empathetic then a government is. If individuals ran the world then we would have to see everything as person to person, one to one.
I think that people are good and when it comes down to it, empathize with their enemy.

Well, that’s what I think anyway.

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Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your news letter.

Please expand on this.

Alright.
So, we know that the United States, Canada, and Mexico are right next to each other. Each one is a soverign state by itself. Canada has Canadian Laws, The US has United States Laws, and Mexico has Mexican laws. However, if you look at the combined laws, most of them are very similiar in the basic, basic form.

For instance, if I go shoot someone in Canada, or if I shoot someone in the U.S., or if I shoot someone in Mexico, I will still probably end up in jail to do so.

So, America, Canada, and Mexico share common laws, etc, and people can travel freely between them. Why would it make much of a difference, if I, a Canadian, were to move from Abbotsford, British Columbia (Which is right on the border of Canada), to Bellingham, Washington, which is extremely close to the border as well?

Remember, they both share a basic set of common laws, and due to the region, chances are would be incredibly compatible with each other sociably. The only thing that separates the two, is an artificial border that is drawn, simply to separate the U.S. and Canada.

So, the U.S. in this case, would still have control over local laws. It would simply be that if one were to decide to move, suddenly the U.S. and Canada would be viable options. It simply be like moving from one town to the next, which is all it really is. You're simply, in the process, also crossing into a different country.

Then, you apply this same concept, to places like London, England and Paris, France. The only difference between those two places, and Bellingham, Washington, is that they're across the ocean.

So, the U.S. makes American laws, and Canada makes Canadian laws, and retain control over their land. Britian would make British laws, and France would roll over everytime someone invaded, and still retain control. But the act of going in between states, is nothing more then packing up, and setting up somewhere else.

I'm pretty much a moderate-to-liberal libertarian. I don't really fit well into political categories, but I think libertarian fits me best. I'm no anarchist in that I support the idea of a government, but I'd rather the government be a lot smaller. It's only job is to pass laws governing order (not morality or personal lives) and take in taxes. And yes, as surprising as that might be coming from a libertarian, I do tolerate the idea of taxation. I mean, where else is the government going to get money? We can't all hoard it for ourselves. You could say I'm very conservative when it comes to economic ideas. Taxation should be equal across the board. I'll not stand for taxing the rich more just because they had the initiative to work harder and make more money. That still leaves taxing inheritances, which I can understand (to a point).

My main thing in being a libertarian, though, is rights. I'm all for them. The government has no reason to ever regulate the personal choices of its citizens except with the intent to keep order all around. So, while deciding who can marry whom is out of the question, speed limits make perfect sense, as do laws against theft and assault/murder/etc.

As for any world leaders who fit my stance...there really are none. No one seems to be willing to compromise their own moral views in order to keep from creating laws based on those morals. That and everyone thinks libertarians are all about legalizing marijuana and smoking all day, so it's hard to get libertarians voted into office.

I can provide more info if I haven't made things clear enough. I wasn't really sure what all to say (there's a lot).

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It may have been.
That does not, however, mean that I agree with it.

I think we're agreeing here. I want those who are productive and are experiencing hard times to recive support from the people. However those who are non-productive, who are not trying to help themselves or provide value to society don't get crap.

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Maybe with a quicker bureaucracy,

Which is what I was advocating, Stream line the process and it's problem solved

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Instead, it would be the removal of all barriers to a border, making the "U.S.", more of a geographical term, then anything else, even though the US, could, in theory, retain it's sovereignty.

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your news letter.

Please expand on this.

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It has been check out NYC or LA if you don't belive me

It may have been.
That does not, however, mean that I agree with it.

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If they're willing to do that, filling out some forms and waiting a bit is a much better option yes?

The immigration process isn't that simple (I've been through it personally). It took many years, and I was from an incredibly friendly country to the US (Canada). I can only imagine how difficult it would be to get in the US from a country like Iran, Cambodia, China, or any of the Eastern Bloc countries during the cold war. So, I do not believe it would be the easiest of things.

Maybe with a quicker bureaucracy, it might be easier, but even then, it is the raw fact of getting to the United States that can be difficult.

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I'd be fine with that but that requires the estbalishment of a world goverment that works and well we've all seen the load of trash that is the UN

While a world government would be ideal, that is not what is called for. Instead, it would be the removal of all barriers to a border, making the "U.S.", more of a geographical term, then anything else, even though the US, could, in theory, retain it's sovereignty.

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How about no immigration quota?

go for it. If all the mexicans want to learn english and move here (and they all put their backs in to work instead of living on welfare) I'm happy to have them

How about no immigration quota?

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Amp- Would you favor increasing the immigration quota to allow more people the chance to immigrate legally so they don't have to illegally?

I would as a matter of fact. Legal immigration I have no issue with, legal immigration is fine. But they have to learn english to qualify for staying!

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I do not agree that universal welfare should be applied to such extremes where you never have to work again, until such a time when it is reasonable,

It has been check out NYC or LA if you don't belive me

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If they are willing to get onto a floating box, and cramp as many people into their box as possible, just to get to America, I say we should welcome them with open arms.

If they're willing to do that, filling out some forms and waiting a bit is a much better option yes?

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I see nationalism as one of the major stumbling blocks to human processes. I believe that we should not see "America" or "China", but rather as regions.

I do not believe that we are "American", or "Canadian", or "Chinese", or "Russian", but rather, we are all in a universal family of workers. International borders only serve as a stumbling block for a global fraternity of workers

I'd be fine with that but that requires the estbalishment of a world goverment that works and well we've all seen the load of trash that is the UN

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I can agree to this but I want in done in the sense that the goverment fucks off and lets me do my work with out interrutption and with out taking any more money than nessicary to run the military, judical system (including the FBI) and a smaller version of the crapfest that is congress. (preferably with a minimum IQ required to hold public office)

I disagree. I believe that Governments can act as a tool for all people to use and enjoy. We already have major parts of the government integrated into our lives. The department of transportation provides for roads, while the department of education provide education for those who would likely not receive one if it was not there. A government should be large enough in size to act as a socially responsible agent, until such a time can be ascertained when there is no government.

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The rest of that crap. Like welfare needs to be removed with one exception. The group should help those that help it. So you have a lady with X kids, 3 jobs, etc. She gets welfare but the bums who don't do crap? don't just throw them off welfare. Deport the bastards to some hell hole like.... France or perhaps another garden spot like colombia, or Congo.

Once again, I respectfully disagree.

Workers are the nuts and bolts that hold a country together. Likewise, welfare and unemployment benefits should be used to keep the workers happy, and live more indepth lives, which would otherwise be reserved for the rich only.

I do not agree that universal welfare should be applied to such extremes where you never have to work again, until such a time when it is reasonable, but for those who are simply down on their luck, welfare can help a worker get back on their feet. Everyone meets hard times. Some of their hard times, like unemployment, can go on for years. Welfare gives them those years to survive.

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Next is Immigration.
I have no sympathy. Deport the illegals right the hell now. If the kid was born on US soil they are now wards of the state as American Citizens. I'm glad to see immigration. I'm only the second generation off the boat on both sides of my family so I'm very much pro-immigration. Legal Immigration that is. If your willing to break our laws to get here you don't belong here so get lost and wait patiently like everyone else

And once again, I disagree.

I see nationalism as one of the major stumbling blocks to human processes. I believe that we should not see "America" or "China", but rather as regions.

I do not believe that we are "American", or "Canadian", or "Chinese", or "Russian", but rather, we are all in a universal family of workers. International borders only serve as a stumbling block for a global fraternity of workers. In my opinion then, illegal immigrants are the same as legal immigrants. They are all part of the same class of workers.

If they are willing to get onto a floating box, and cramp as many people into their box as possible, just to get to America, I say we should welcome them with open arms.

Amp- Would you favor increasing the immigration quota to allow more people the chance to immigrate legally so they don't have to illegally?

Libertarian with a Conservative/Anarchist slant

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I believe that the workers are the most important element of society, and should be given the best possible treatment under a government. When a classless society is achieved, everyone should be a worker.

I can agree to this but I want in done in the sense that the goverment fucks off and lets me do my work with out interrutption and with out taking any more money than nessicary to run the military, judical system (including the FBI) and a smaller version of the crapfest that is congress. (preferably with a minimum IQ required to hold public office)
The rest of that crap. Like welfare needs to be removed with one exception. The group should help those that help it. So you have a lady with X kids, 3 jobs, etc. She gets welfare but the bums who don't do crap? don't just throw them off welfare. Deport the bastards to some hell hole like.... France or perhaps another garden spot like colombia, or Congo.
Next is Immigration.
I have no sympathy. Deport the illegals right the hell now. If the kid was born on US soil they are now wards of the state as American Citizens. I'm glad to see immigration. I'm only the second generation off the boat on both sides of my family so I'm very much pro-immigration. Legal Immigration that is. If your willing to break our laws to get here you don't belong here so get lost and wait patiently like everyone else

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I believe that people should be allowed to own weapons equivalent to an infantryman, that government should be completely neutral to all issues on gender, including marriage, and that religion should be seperated from the state.

this I can agree to completely and with out issue. Cept I want heavier weapons