I just recently read an article in a magazine titled, "Bush: worst president in our history?" and i was completely apalled with the harsh and undeserving criticism given in this article. I wouldn't call president Bush the best president in history, but i certainly don't believe that that is a correct title.

Well, I agree with the article. Bush has ruined America, and it's reputation around the world.

Bush, I strongly dislike him...oh what the heck I can't stand the man.

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Originally posted by Brehon:
I take it, Knight, that you didn't read about Iran today. Oh, and Venezuala and Syria.

Inform me.

I take it, Knight, that you didn't read about Iran today. Oh, and Venezuala and Syria.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Help is not always necessary. But please, share with us how you think Iraq will improve in the "long run." As far as anyone can tell, Iraq is not going to get any better anytime soon. What part of "imminent civil war" don't you get?

The fact that you think there is going to be civil war. You have no way of knowing that you cant see the future for all you and me know iraq will be absolutely fine in 5 years. Iraq will become a democracy and its people wont have to worry about being gased or tortured by saddam or any other tyrant it may take a while but iraq will be better off someday.

Help is not always necessary. But please, share with us how you think Iraq will improve in the "long run." As far as anyone can tell, Iraq is not going to get any better anytime soon. What part of "imminent civil war" don't you get?

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Originally posted by freelovealways:
Knight you are the government's love. Someone who will follow every rule just to please the master. Too bad I have some Anarcist in me. And I think thats why we but heads.

What can i say sometimes we must swallow our pride and place a little faith in our goverment. But dont preach to me with this oppressed slave-master bullsh*t. The goverement dosent control you, you control you. I dont follow every rule to please them i do because i love my country. Also Iraq may be unstable now but in the long run they will be better off and you know what we could have napalmed iraq. We could have just bombed them into subbmission but you know what? We didnt! Because we wanted to help I think you can give the coalition credit for that.

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make me the bad guy like i know you will, but sometimes you need to rain fire down on potential and current threats alike and we did

Yeah, you kind of made this too easy. Personally, I am a pacifist. The only time I ever engage in any sort of fighting is as a last resort, as I have been taught is moral and right. While I admit that Saddam is better off in a hellishly long and revealing trial, I find the method of his removal barbarous at best. And when you say, sometimes we are too nice, what the hell do you mean by that? Do you mean that instead of just destroying a country and beginning a long and unsuccessful occupation that the US should just cover the entire country in Napalm or something?

And by we, I meant the coalition rather than just the US.

Knight, the problem with removing Saddam is that now Iraq is highly unstable. A civil war could break out at any time, and that could cause problems throughout the rest of the Middle East. Yes, Saddam put many of his own citizens to death, but he did keep the country in one piece. Now, Iraq is in a state of near-anarchy. Instead of worrying about Saddam killing them, the Iraqi people worry about the insurgents killing them. At least with Saddam, they knew what might get them in trouble. The insurgents kill randomly just to terrorize.

There are times where inaction is the best course of action. And yes, I stole that from Pirates of the Caribbean.

If all the people of Iraq (I don't know if I spelt it right) why do they hate us so much??? Please tell me why we must interfier in other people's lives including in our own people's?

I did a theisis on guns in schools for one of my english classes... the school princible (sp I bet) asked my why I kept looking at sites that included guns in it. I told him exactly what I was looking for and he asked me to change my topic because the government knows everything that I looked up on the computer.

Why must the government be envolved with my life anymore then what they have to be.

When I looked up sex education on the internet I couldn't get to any pages without a teacher's password. How much bull is that???

Not only must the government control AS A SUPER POWER the world's guns and power... they have to control every single person too???

Knight you are the government's love. Someone who will follow every rule just to please the master. Too bad I have some Anarcist in me. And I think thats why we but heads.

Well you dont know that do you? Also we crushed Saddma because *knock knock* we are America the most powerful nation on the planet. The problem is sometimes we are too nice, and go ahead and twist my words and make me the bad guy like i know you will, but sometimes you need to rain fire down on potential and current threats alike and we did. We also did our best to help the people, I mean Saddam gased his own people to death men, women and children. Throw me a bone here I think you can admit we took a step in the right direction by taking him out.

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So we cant hunt 2 people? saddam was threat so naturally we took him out at the least osama is now as good as dead.

Apparently he wasn't, seeing as how we crushed the Iraqi forces easily, and didn't find any of those weapons that were our fantastic excuse to attack them in the first place. Given what I just sai, I think perhaps when you said that Bush was aving yogores life, you were perhaps a exagerating a little.

What interests me is that we 'invaded to give them democracy' but everytime a country has democracy imposed on it, something goes wrong. Possibly the system is seen as alien, and disliked because of it. Currently the entire Iraqi populace will dislike the system. The most constant democracys are those that had a semi dictatorial system, then fought a civil war and became a democracy.

Oh and Knight, I doubt that the people of Iraq thought, everynight as they went to sleep, evertime something bad happend, that what they really need is a gigantic army to come and destroy what little infrastructure that they had and then struggle to rebuild it.

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Originally posted by freelovealways:
What if those people didn't want us to save them?

What if they did want us to save them?

What if those people didn't want us to save them?

I dont care if no one agrees with me its not whos agreeing its who right and i know that i am right. I can follow a leader blindly without that leader being a dictator. I choose to follow my president, i would choose to die for them that is free choice. And please forgive us if we wanted to save the people osama and saddam were killing and torturing i dont care it was our buisness or not we did the right thing.

Simply stated... no one in this argument agrees with you knight...

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I will not waste anymore time arguing with you about this. you are allowed your opinion no matter how ridiculious.

No fight is ridiculious so...

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So we cant hunt 2 people? saddam was threat so naturally we took him out at the least osama is now as good as dead.

Because it was none of our buisness. To be in a government like Osama and Saddam were running you have to allow them to run it like that. the only way to get out truely is to build a system that works for your country. Other countries cant help you... or someone else will come right back in.

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I refuse to believe that i will follow my president blindly AND think for myself because amazingly i can do 2 things.

If you think you can do those two things... you are mistaking the word blingly.

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What if he ordered you to kill all americans you meet including your family and friends?"

That would never happen you are being stupid.

It's not stupid... someone could say that and some people would... like you knight.. if you truely follow your leader blindly. looks like your in the wrong age voting for the wrong thing because you need Hitler to be your leader. He wanted and got his people to follow him blindly.

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"Bush saved probably mine and your ass in this war which IS our fight
He saved our lives in a war he created? And it is not our fight because we had no reason to be there."

I will not waste anymore time arguing with you about this. you are allowed your opinion no matter how ridiculious.

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"Bush took him out and probably saved YOUR life in the process
Saddam wasnt attacking the US so Clpo's life wasnt in danger. Way to overexagerate."

My statement stands.

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"Yogore do you live under a rock? If not al qadea and bin laden (Who claimed responsibility for 9/11!) who did it?
I said Afgahnistan wasn't responcible. That is not synonomou with Al queda and Bin Laden. Since4 you admit they were the ones responcible, you see Saddam came out of no where as someone Bush could blame when he couldnt get the real culprit."

So we cant hunt 2 people? saddam was threat so naturally we took him out at the least osama is now as good as dead.

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"Are you saying i cant have an opinion and still follow someone?
Following blindly means that you won't think for yourself."

I refuse to believe that i will follow my president blindly AND think for myself because amazingly i can do 2 things.

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"If they were my president? You beat your ass i would and i wouldnt regret it.
What if he ordered you to kill all americans you meet including your family and friends?"

That would never happen you are being stupid.

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"You cant support you troops and not the war its either one side or the other your either with us or your with them. That's a bad mentality. I support the troops for putting themselves on the line for their country. I do not support the administrative decision to go to war, however. Simple."

If you dont support the people the soilders fight for all of them then you dont support the soilder. simple.

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"he fought for his country and i would do the same in a heartbeat.
Good, thats the way our system works."

Believe me i'd throw it all away for putting foot to ass for my country.

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to waste money and sit around with their thumbs up their asses watching human rights violations and the like?

Don't be stupid. The UN has to make decisions for the good of the world, not for the good of the US. It cannot go after every human rright violater at this instant. You have to give it time to work.

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Bush saved probably mine and your ass in this war which IS our fight

He saved our lives in a war he created? And it is not our fight because we had no reason to be there.

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Bush took him out and probably saved YOUR life in the process

Saddam wasnt attacking the US so Clpo's life wasnt in danger. Way to overexagerate.

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Yogore do you live under a rock? If not al qadea and bin laden (Who claimed responsibility for 9/11!) who did it?

I said Afgahnistan wasn't responcible. That is not synonomou with Al queda and Bin Laden. Since4 you admit they were the ones responcible, you see Saddam came out of no where as someone Bush could blame when he couldnt get the real culprit.

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Are you saying i cant have an opinion and still follow someone?

Following blindly means that you won't think for yourself.

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If they were my president? You beat your ass i would and i wouldnt regret it.

What if he ordered you to kill all americans you meet including your family and friends?

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i can tell you from experience the school system sux and has too much money wasted on it.

Thanks to public education, I am in college at 16 and my public school is paying for it. Money is never wasted on education, the problem is insufficient funds. School is what yoiu make of it. if you got nothing out of it, you put nothing in.

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You cant support you troops and not the war its either one side or the other your either with us or your with them.

That's a bad mentality. I support the troops for putting themselves on the line for their country. I do not support the administrative decision to go to war, however. Simple.

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he fought for his country and i would do the same in a heartbeat.

Good, thats the way our system works.

No my grandfather didnt die but he fought for his country and i would do the same in a heartbeat. Iraq is not pointless if thats your opinion then it is noted but you know mine so lets just leave it at that. Those soilders did die for something more important than country they died so that maybe, just maybe the future people in iraq and in america can have a better future. sure its f--ked up now but it is better than saddam he held his people in a chokehold and its understandable that when you shake off a dictator things may go bad for a while but iraq will eventually settle down and i think that will be for the best so lets just leave it at that.