It makes more sense, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense, mostly because there's no reason to blow up a stranger's baby, whereas there is justification to having an abortion, depending on the situation.
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When the president talks to god are the conversations brief or long? Does he ask to rape our women's rights and send more farm kids off to die? Does God suggest an oil hike when the president talks to god?
quote: But isnt that that same thing as having a choice?
Yes. You go blow up your box. *head shake* I still believe the government doesn't really have any right to legislate an issue that is religious at heart, just personally I'm against abortion, but also against abortion laws. I know that might seem hypocritical, but its not. I believe in separation of church and state above all else when it comes to our nation.
quote: How the hell is that comparable to abortion?
The biggest argument of abortion is when does human life begin. Well, no one can for sure say when it begins, hence the person might or might not be in the box. The dynamite is an abortion, does it make sense now?
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A stubborn idiot says: I never change my political beliefs on anything, no matter what new evidence might be presented to me. A wise and reasonable man says: I change my opion on subjects as new evidence is presented. A strong leader says: I never change my political beliefs on anything, no matter
quote: That said I heard a good analogy about this recently that has made me anti abortion. Let's say there is a box, and I tell you there could or could not be a human being inside the box. Then I give you a stick of dynamite and tell you you can blow up tthe box if you want to. Do you blow up the box?
How the hell is that comparable to abortion?
When the president talks to god are the conversations brief or long? Does he ask to rape our women's rights and send more farm kids off to die? Does God suggest an oil hike when the president talks to god?
quote:Originally posted by DeusExMachina: That said I heard a good analogy about this recently that has made me anti abortion. Let's say there is a box, and I tell you there could or could not be a human being inside the box. Then I give you a stick of dynamite and tell you you can blow up tthe box if you want to. Do you blow up the box?
Here's my thought. If the mother doesn't want the kid, how good is its life really going to end up if we make her keep it? That said I heard a good analogy about this recently that has made me anti abortion. Let's say there is a box, and I tell you there could or could not be a human being inside the box. Then I give you a stick of dynamite and tell you you can blow up tthe box if you want to. Do you blow up the box?
A stubborn idiot says: I never change my political beliefs on anything, no matter what new evidence might be presented to me. A wise and reasonable man says: I change my opion on subjects as new evidence is presented. A strong leader says: I never change my political beliefs on anything, no matter
quote: The death penalty is for people who do terrible things.
What about the people who were falsely accused and found guilty? They get the death penalty and didn't do anything terrible.
Until EVERYONE can agree on a universal definition of life, and a universal idea of when life begins, abortion will be debated. Therefore, will people STOP making threads on it, and if they MUST post their opinion on it go to a thread that's already around?
quote: Abortion sometimes causes reproductive harm to women and thus they sometimes become infertile.
While I can't speak for Amaris, I can speak for myself, and I haven't heard of abortions causing reproductive harm. I have heard of them causing harm to the uterus, which makes women unable to vaginally deliver children, and that's probably what Amaris was referring to, when she was talking about C-sections.
Idle hands spend time at the genitals, and you know how much God hates that. --ATHF
"How else are you supposed to teach tolerance of other cultures and religions if you don't know anything about it."
im not saying this is a bad thing. but wheny you teach that instead of American History, thats where i draw the line.
" California however is major on the American history. World history is only one year while American history, gov, and politics are two years. The emphasis is on America and we are getting the prper education."
yes but the American History that is =taught in public schools i s revisioist history. where it focuses on the faults of America and in some cases tries to alter it.
"So that "multi-cultural" projects are definitely getting all the money. Name one school or politician that promotes other languages over the English language though. I can't think of any. Why? Because the states focus heavily on English. Everyone focuses on English the most. I don't know where this came from."
the NEA is the biggest teachier organization in the country corect? again ive told you to go to my topic in school and education. "A nation at risk" is my topic. it'll show you what yo uneed to know about education and the oppositiong to Englishh as the official language.
"How is that interesting? When you run for such an improtant postition as president, you get more opinions and you hear more stories. This allowed these people to see abortion in a different light."
these ar people that have been i public for a long time. take dick gephardyt who had been in congress since 1977 i think. he had been staunchly pro life until 1988. he heard "all the public opinion" on abortion and yet he was still pro life but hwne he ran for president everything changed. he had to lie to the people.
"I like celtic want to say that unless you've been in the position of rape or pregnancy at an early age, its hard to get an idea of waht its like."
i dont understand it! you are all for kiling innocent Americans, but your against war?
" I've never been raped or pregnant, but I respect those who have gone through these things and I am ok with whatever they do."
i respect them too.
"It is their life and they have the option to change it or ruin it anyway they want."
it is their life but they do not and should not have the control over the unborn's very right to live.
"I respect that. If a woman doesn't want to go through the mental, physical, and emotional grind of delivering a child than let that be her option."
this is where i am differnt.
" Do you think its fair to the woman that the men don't have to go through this?"
thats they way we were made.
"The fetus in question is not fully a person yet. Yes it has the possibility of becoming a person, but so do every other sperm and egg matchings that never occur."
yes it is. the unborn is living at the time of conception.
"Yes, there should be better prevention so this never happens, but it will happen and abortions WILL continue.[/QUOTE]"
no its pro abortion. if it huts you enough to call me names or degrade me, that mean i hit a nerve.
quote: Just say you have one abortion, you might never be able to bear children again.
did i say this?
"My God. Someone's changed their mind over the course of their lifetime. That means that they're a flip-flopper. Damn flip-floppers. Someone alert the media![/QUOTE]"
it was right when they made their ids for president. so they were trying to lie to people to get their votes fro somthing that they, the candidate wont even uphold.
"And some women can't have a vaginal delivery after having a Caesarian section, so by your logic, Caesarian sections should be illegal, as well."
What he said was that "you might never be able to bear children again" if you have an abortion. He did not say, "You might never be able to give birth to a child after you have an abortion." Abortion sometimes causes reproductive harm to women and thus they sometimes become infertile. What does that have anything to do with a C-Section? Even if a women may not be able to have a -vaginal delivery- after a C-section, she will still always be able to have C-sections. So, with his logic C-sections should be legal and abortions should be illegal.
quote: a moajor contribution to this is what the liberals are teaching the kids. they teach mushy mided multi cutluralism over American culutre, revisionist histry over REAL history, other languages over the English language so and so forth.
How else are you supposed to teach tolerance of other cultures and religions if you don't know anything about it. California however is major on the American history. World history is only one year while American history, gov, and politics are two years. The emphasis is on America and we are getting the prper education. So that "multi-cultural" projects are definitely getting all the money. Name one school or politician that promotes other languages over the English language though. I can't think of any. Why? Because the states focus heavily on English. Everyone focuses on English the most. I don't know where this came from.
quote: interstingly enough however all of hese men changed their opinions when they were running for president and after research you can see that kerry has done the ame thig. it is intersting isnt it? more later.
How is that interesting? When you run for such an improtant postition as president, you get more opinions and you hear more stories. This allowed these people to see abortion in a different light.
I like celtic want to say that unless you've been in the position of rape or pregnancy at an early age, its hard to get an idea of waht its like. I've never been raped or pregnant, but I respect those who have gone through these things and I am ok with whatever they do. It is their life and they have the option to change it or ruin it anyway they want. I respect that. If a woman doesn't want to go through the mental, physical, and emotional grind of delivering a child than let that be her option. Do you think its fair to the woman that the men don't have to go through this? The fetus in question is not fully a person yet. Yes it has the possibility of becoming a person, but so do every other sperm and egg matchings that never occur. Yes, there should be better prevention so this never happens, but it will happen and abortions WILL continue.
"I let my brother go to the devil in his own way" -Robert Louis Stevenson
quote: if you think about it, theyre pro-abortion.
Red, if you actually thought, then you would be able to tell the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice.
quote: Just say you have one abortion, you might never be able to bear children again.
And some women can't have a vaginal delivery after having a Caesarian section, so by your logic, Caesarian sections should be illegal, as well.
quote: all of hese men changed their opinions
My God. Someone's changed their mind over the course of their lifetime. That means that they're a flip-flopper. Damn flip-floppers. Someone alert the media!
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When the president talks to god are the conversations brief or long? Does he ask to rape our women's rights and send more farm kids off to die? Does God suggest an oil hike when the president talks to god?
Red, i say pro-choice and you consider me a liberal so yea. And I honestly do believe that. Personal reasons i guess and no i wasn't pregnant or had an abortion.
What's wrong with being pro-abortion? Abortions are perfectly ethical, and since the woman CHOOSES if she would like an abortion or not, there is no injustice.
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