Yeah. One of my friends from the army said that this draft coming up is the first ever in history to draft WOMEN!!!! OMG!!! I mean yeah...the guys... but the women??? I'm not being sexually-discrimminating...but still. I don't know...

"See the fear and run to it"...
~firepunk

In the past year, my mom has said "Oh, did you hear, the draft is back! We've gotta get your passports ready" twice. I don't know what is putting this idea into her head. Aside from the usual crazyness, I mean.

Anyway, I'd be shocked if the draft came back, but if the republican conservative influence skyrocketed and we go into a war with China, I could see it happening. But as long as people remember Vietnam, I think there are going to be a lot of people who would vehemently oppose any sort of military draft.

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my point is this; the reerve is running out quickly. it doesn't matter who supports the draft. it's going to happen before 2007.

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The reserves are not running out quickly. A thousand soilders, hell, five or ten thousand soilders put out of action (wounded or otherwise) is inconsequential to the entire military. We are not having any large deployments into Iraq. The reason it seems like reserves are being called up at a massive rate is because of normal troop rotation in and out of the country. Troops are leaving and coming home too.

The fact still remains that the military is meeting all of its recruitment goals, and the IRR callup is not an indication of a military stretched to the point of a mandatory draft. Most being called up through the IRR are skilled soilders, like engineers, medics, and technitians. Not infantrymen as it would be if we were in a bloodbath that needed a draft.

So the fact still is, we will NOT need or have a draft in Iraq. The only way a draft would be neccesary would be if, as I said before, another theatre in the war that needed massive troop commitment (a la North Korea) were to open up.

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i feel really sorry for the ones drafted, this war is so senseless, theyre fighting for nothing.

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That's just the way you see it Celtic. I and millions of others think they are fighting for something. This was a just war.

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I think that the people in the government are fools, RR, for a number of reasons:
1.) Because there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and yet we went to war pretending that there are."

and yet they have found Mustard and Sarin gas in Iraq? What are those?

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lies.

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celtic, that is a well known fact.

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I still can't see it happening, I don't know why. I could be wrong, I often am (I didn't think the war in Iraq would pass - well I mean, I was technically right because it DIDN'T pass in the UN, but still). But there WILL be protests - a lot of the soldiers in Iraq don't want to be there (I didn't say most, I said a lot) and with all this lack-of-WMD-evidence stuff has got to count for something. Does anyone know how many people, exactly, are deployed in Iraq/are in reserve?

i feel really sorry for the ones drafted, this war is so senseless, theyre fighting for nothing.

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oh, we're not going to have a draft, there are too many people in the U.S. opposed to the war in the first place. Pretty much anyone willing to fight in the army is in Iraq NOW. Imposing a draft would be an insanely bad move for whichever candidate supports it.

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it's really not like me to call out other people from this site, especially people who seem to be leaning towards the left.

but i have to say that the draft right now seems inevitable. you couldn't possibly imagine the fix that we're in right now. true that there are only just under a thousand dead in iraq right now, but there are about five times as many wounded. all of the wounded go to Walter Reed Army/Navy Hospital. my father's doctor works there. men come in with their ***** shot off. the good thing is that there aren't nearly as many wounded these days as there were in Viet Nam, but there are still so many.

my point is this; the reerve is running out quickly. it doesn't matter who supports the draft. it's going to happen before 2007.

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I think that the people in the government are fools, RR, for a number of reasons:
1.) Because there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and yet we went to war pretending that there are."

and yet they have found Mustard and Sarin gas in Iraq? What are those?

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lies.

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oh, we're not going to have a draft, there are too many people in the U.S. opposed to the war in the first place. Pretty much anyone willing to fight in the army is in Iraq NOW. Imposing a draft would be an insanely bad move for whichever candidate supports it.

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If, however, something happens that requires a draft, we'll need it. It's not going to be something mundane. As for anyone willing already being in the army, you've got no idea what you're talking about.

oh, we're not going to have a draft, there are too many people in the U.S. opposed to the war in the first place. Pretty much anyone willing to fight in the army is in Iraq NOW. Imposing a draft would be an insanely bad move for whichever candidate supports it.

oh i thought they meant right now.

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we havent even los a thousand men in Iraq, why would there be a draft?

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Casualties don't make a draft needed, it's the fact that we might have another area where we need another 200k troops. We can't spread ourselves too thin. If we need it, we need it. We don't need it right now, but it may be in the future.

we havent even los a thousand men in Iraq, why would there be a draft?

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"I think that the people in the government are fools, RR, for a number of reasons:
1.) Because there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and yet we went to war pretending that there are."

and yet they have found Mustard and Sarin gas in Iraq? What are those?


"2.) Iraq has no ties to Al Qaida whatsoever, and yet we went to a "War On Terror" there."

oh come on now the 911 commission knows that they have connections. it is doubtless they have connections. One of Saddam's colonels in his Fedayeen was also a prominent member in Al-Qaeda. I hope you arent saying we shouldnt be fighting the Al-Qaeda. i think some people forget sometimes that this is not soley a war on Iraq and Al-Qaeda. It is a war on terror, a faceless enemy.

"3.) Osama Bin Laden WANTED Sadam Hussein removed from power. Unless I am seriously mistaken, Bin Laden IS supposed to be the bad guy in this western. Yet we have just done him a big favor, while "going to war" on him. Smart. Oh, I'm sorry? You say that the Bushes and the Bin Ladens are hand in glove? Silly me, I should have known."

again the war is not soley about binLaden. There are probably thousands of different networks of terror. we fight all of them. He didnt hate saddam and loved his agenda. especially when they have been colloaborating.


"4.) They expect us to continue to fight and die for this cause and intend to reinstate a draft, NOTWITHSTANDING all these things, NOTWITHSTANDING our own BRUTALITY to Iraqis, which shows that we are as much terrorists as anyone else, NOTWITHSTANDING all justice and morality."

The War in Iraq is over. no dont confuse the war with Iraq with the bigger war, the War on Terror. Why would there be a draft? We need to keep soldiers over there to ensure peace until the Iraqi gov't can get a firm hold.

"As for those who suggest that I "get the hell out of America?" Hey, if there's a draft, I will. That is, if telling them that I'm bi-sexual doesn't work. But you know, I'd really prefer not to. I love my country. It ought to be a really nice place. For me, it is- - usually. But I am saddened and sickened by what it has become. And I for one know this: if I cannot live happily in it, I will change it, if I cannot change it, I will defy it, and all else fails, I will leave my home."

I dont think you should get out of America. You are entitled to your beliefs. You forget what clinton has done not only as president but as governor. his spending policies is what did the country in for a recession.
we had four or five terrorist attacks while he was president and he did nothing to stop it.
Now dont take this a fighting but liberals claim to be such advocates for Human Rights but when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan, they would have rather protected themselves then those who really needed the protection.

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tell me why you think the government full of fools?????
because as far as im concern we have some of the smartest people in America in the federal government hierarchy.

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I think that the people in the government are fools, RR, for a number of reasons:
1.) Because there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and yet we went to war pretending that there are.
2.) Iraq has no ties to Al Qaida whatsoever, and yet we went to a "War On Terror" there.
3.) Osama Bin Laden WANTED Sadam Hussein removed from power. Unless I am seriously mistaken, Bin Laden IS supposed to be the bad guy in this western. Yet we have just done him a big favor, while "going to war" on him. Smart. Oh, I'm sorry? You say that the Bushes and the Bin Ladens are hand in glove? Silly me, I should have known.
4.) They expect us to continue to fight and die for this cause and intend to reinstate a draft, NOTWITHSTANDING all these things, NOTWITHSTANDING our own BRUTALITY to Iraqis, which shows that we are as much terrorists as anyone else, NOTWITHSTANDING all justice and morality.

As for those who suggest that I "get the hell out of America?" Hey, if there's a draft, I will. That is, if telling them that I'm bi-sexual doesn't work. But you know, I'd really prefer not to. I love my country. It ought to be a really nice place. For me, it is- - usually. But I am saddened and sickened by what it has become. And I for one know this: if I cannot live happily in it, I will change it, if I cannot change it, I will defy it, and all else fails, I will leave my home.
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no question. we're going to have a draft. after the amount of people in the reserves who died in iraq, we'll have a draft by 2007.

We'll do it. After attending a service academy, its required you serve 4 years.

Don't be so naive. The military would never make such a rash move. Such an act would be catastrophic ; it would ruin the morale of the nation and cast doubt upon the military's preparedness.

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Completely ludicrous! There will be no draft ; it's a phony proposal.

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I thought I was the one who lost a mind. There will be a draft. They finally realized we don't have enough soldiers. So we have a draft. Next, required military service for 4 years.

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I am not going to war for the fools in our government.

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Then get the hell out of America.

Completely ludicrous! There will be no draft ; it's a phony proposal.

Fritz Hollins, a Democratic Senator, and Charlie Rangold, a Democratic Congressman, the two who introduced the bill were against the War in Iraq. The proposal is obviously a sarcastic gesture to scare the public into opposing the invasion even more and to up John Kerry's chances of being elected next fall. Also, the military recently reported that they had to turn down as many as 2/5 applicants because of too many people signing up for the army. Patriotism should never be dictated. Such a step would further increase the chances of the United States becoming an authoritarian society where citizens don't have the right to choose how they live their lives.