Pro-Abort

It's only an operation. No human being is present. Why not operate?

Pro-Life

A person's genetic code begins at conception. The fertilized egg can only develop into a human life. Therefore, a human life worthy of protection.

Pro-Abort

A woman has the absolute right to do what she wants with her own body.

pro-Life

Suicide laws are based on the premise that we belong together and are responsible for each other. We are social beings, so we do not have an absolute right to our bodies.

Pro-Abort

The legal system

Pro-Life

"Legal" does not make it right. Some laws are immoral or contradict higher laws.

Pro-Abort

It is an effective for of contraception.

Pro-Life

Abortion is not contraceptive. Conception has already taken place.

Pro-Abort

Better the child be dead than unwanted.

Pro-Life

Isnt this presumptuous? Let the child grow up and decide on its own. Dont you hate others telling you whats good for you?

Pro_Abort

It's convenient and helps eliminate unwanted pregnancies.

Pro-Life

Fosters irresponsibility. People are accountable for their own actions. There ae other options like adoption.

Pro-Abort

Helps control population.

Pro-Life

So does murder, euthenasia, and suicide. There are other, moral means.

Pro-Abort

Should be okay in cases of rape and incest.

Pro-Life

A tough issue. The infant is not responsible for the original act. Though tragic, we must defend the innocent life. A good end does not justlify evil means. (Getting rid of the baby does not justify why you did it.)

Pro-Abort

The baby may be born retarded or handicapped.

Pro-Life

Is this to say the person has no value?This is a gross form of prejudice against a minority. Why not do the same for anyone who is not fully conscious?

Pro- Abort

It is economical and keeps down the cost of welfare.

Pro-Life

Is money more inportant than a life? There are other ways i.e. sex education, one's own judgement, and elimination of poverty.

Pro-Abort

Pushing a pro-life amendment or law is forcing your religious beliefs on others.

Pro-Life

Don't we (religious) have the right to defend innocent human life as we see fit in a democracy? Many civil rights were unpopular at first.

There is a simple answer, but people make this subject complicated through religion and their desire to control others beliefs and moral construct based on their own illusions of acceptable conduct.

The fact is abortion is already illegal after a cretin amount of time (when the embryo becomes a fetus-I believe), and the fact is mistakes happen, even when you are careful.
All I’m saying is every option affects the people involved in some way. Abortion affects the parents emotionally, adoption affects both child and parents emotionally and also could create voids in both child and parent. Now keeping the child could cause a number of hardships along with other emotional problems that one could’ve avoided if they had planed the child, ultimately resulting in a poorer quality of life for all involved

I’ll put it like this, would you rather have a child brought into this world parentless and homeless wondering where they came from and ultimately affecting 3 peoples lives instead of just the original two involved. Do you really want to have a child that carries the burden of not knowing why things happened the way they did? Just stay out of peoples business, especially when it’s a sensitive matter like pregnancy.

TAKE NOTE: you must understand that the situations I am imaging are not always the case, and isn’t how every unplanned/aborted/adopted child and family respond to this situation, also I’m not saying an unplanned baby is going to end up drastically affected negatively by any of the options available, a lot of unplanned children end up fine in any of the scenarios. All I’m saying is life is precious and should be analyzed as deeply as possible as to prevent unhappiness and instability in homes where children are being raised, also its always ones own body that they can do with what they want….

It wont let me edit my post, but.

It also shouldnt be used as a form of birth control either.

If you dont want an abortion, tbh, dont get one.


Dont try to force your morals and/or religion on everyone else.


If I feel fine with being a baby killer, then thats just me.

I wonder if any of you have actually studied that in the early 90's crime began to rapidly decrease. Would you like some insight as to why? Well, abortions were legalized in 1972. In the 1990's those people born from 1972 and up were around the age of young adulthood. Why would the crime rate decrease... well think about who likely got pregnant? People who have sex for drugs and money, people who are too stupid to use protection and therefore too stupid to raise a kid, young people who can't even take care of themselves. Do you really want a kid to live in an environment like that.

also my crackhead comment was not uncalled for. it's true. so crackwhore gets pregnant, smokes crack while she's pregnant, then gives birth to a baby addicted to crack who will grow up to be a crack dealer who will shoot some poor family and then get himself thrown in prison costing us taxpayers more money. Abortion saves us money and keeps our streets safer.

As for this adoption crap, well we have enough kids who need homes all over the world. Also you can rant and rant about adopting but a lot of people don't do that, they choose to be bad parents and raise a bad person.

I am alive. A fetus is not. Oh yeah it has a heart beat but so does a person in comatose. I have a life, feti do not. Obviously it is up to me if I want to be pregnant or not. Just like it is up to you to be pregnant or not. If you want to have your baby and give it away or keep it then that's fine nobody should force you to have an abortion. But then you have to look at the other side, you can't make someone not have an abortion. People shouldn't force others to do things that they don't want to do.

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What I think anti-abortion people fail to realize is that childbirth is intensely painful and also can be dangerous. No woman should be put through pain unless she expressly embraces it.

I don't think any women embrace childbirth. Isn't it a cliche that you see in movies, the mother screaming about how much she hates her boyfriend/husband for putting her in that situation. And women who wanted a natural childbirth screaming for drugs? They do it, but it's not because their embracing the pain. That's over simplifying it.
I think pro-abortion people fail to realize that their's a life besides the mother's that needs to be taken into account.

Abortion is wrong! Itd actually been proven thats its a life you are terminating!
IF YOU DONT WANT A BABY THEN GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION!!!!

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
Duh abortions lower crime rate. Now we aren't forcing crackheads to raise future crackheads.

That was uncalled for.

I'm here to help, worth!

What I think anti-abortion people fail to realize is that childbirth is intensely painful and also can be dangerous. No woman should be put through pain unless she expressly embraces it.

Thanks, Hoop!

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Originally posted by worthwaitingfor:
I am pro-choice. However, to me, that does not mean the same thing as pro-abortion.

I think in probably 95% of abortion cases, I would not support the cause for that abortion. I would have recommended that the woman give the baby up for adoption or keep it or some other safe option. However, just because I would not support the cause of the abortion does not mean that I do not support the right of that woman to make that choice regarding her own personal, life, history, mind, body, soul, etc. That is her choice.

Also, as someone else pointed out, banning abortion does not stop abortion; it makes it more dangerous is all.

Finally, many Christians (I myself am Christian) do not support abortion for whatever reason and consider themselves pro-life. That is their opinion and it is okay for them to have that opinion. However, in America, we cannot or at least should not base our laws on one religious group's belief, even if the majority of our citizens fall into that religious group. Our government is not a theocracy and should not be treated as such.

Thank you worthwaitingfor I think you put that perfectly

I wasn't sure how to reply to every specific quotes so here's just what I think about the issue.

I am pro-choice. However, to me, that does not mean the same thing as pro-abortion.

I think in probably 95% of abortion cases, I would not support the cause for that abortion. I would have recommended that the woman give the baby up for adoption or keep it or some other safe option. However, just because I would not support the cause of the abortion does not mean that I do not support the right of that woman to make that choice regarding her own personal, life, history, mind, body, soul, etc. That is her choice.

Aside from that, there's the 5% or so cases in which I would support abortion, such as if the mother's life was in serious risk. I don't want abortion to be banned simply because there is this 5% that have a reasonable cause to abort.

Also, as someone else pointed out, banning abortion does not stop abortion; it makes it more dangerous is all.

Finally, many Christians (I myself am Christian) do not support abortion for whatever reason and consider themselves pro-life. That is their opinion and it is okay for them to have that opinion. However, in America, we cannot or at least should not base our laws on one religious group's belief, even if the majority of our citizens fall into that religious group. Our government is not a theocracy and should not be treated as such.

I think I covered all the bases I wanted to but that was just a general statement and sort of a catch-all response to the other responses.

Shouldn't knock it 'til you try it.

I believe abortion is wrong!If you don't want the baby give it up for adoption. Give it to somebody who actually wants it; there are people in the world who can't have babies. Besides you put it upon yourself to do it without protection. But if its rape, then still you can give it up for adoption, I mean come on i don't think you would want it. But, god sent it here for a reason I mean come on the baby didn't harm you that person did, so why punish the baby?

Traditionally only those who were born had rights. But now we have scientific evidence that life begins months before birth, and that a fetus has brainwaves and a heartbeat.So, being alive and human, they should have some rights.
In some African cultures, a person is not "alive" until they are named. Infantcide is justified in many cultures because newborns aren't considered people. That doesn't make infantcide right. You can belive whatever you want about when life starts- after a name is given, at birth, at conception- but that doesn't change the facts. The fact is, the unborn are alive, and therefore they should be terated with some dignity.
I'm a feminist, I wholeheartedly support women's rights. However, I'm also a believer in universal human rights, and fetuses are human.

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Originally posted by exaltedkernal:
People argue that it would be unconstitutional to deny woman the right to abort. This is probably the biggest errror in the pro-choice argument. Actually, it's unconstitutional to allow abortion to be legal.
The constitution proclaims the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness. Right there is the right to life, no buts or howevers. And their's plenty of sceintific evidence to prove that life begins in the first trimester of pregnency, possibly within the first month.
Yeah, abortions might prevent future criminals, but do you know what else does? Genocide. Why not take all poor kids and gas them? Chances are that would ruduce crime rate by a lot. And save us legitimate, not poor people money on welfare.

You have no basis for an argument. Only people who are born have rights. Denying a woman's choice is more unconstitutional than allowing something not even born yet to have the same rights as you and I.

It is a matter of morality and ethics, yes, but in such a diverse country every religion must be tolerated- which means that one group cannot force all the others to see things their way.

The real question is WHEN is the fetus a human being, establish that, then argue the morality of aborting a fetus vs. killing a baby.


Wolfie's right, if a woman wants/needs to get an abortion, she will do it regardless of the law. If it is illegal that means she will resort to back-alley and underground abortions with disreputable doctors.

so 45 million legal abortions have happened.

so if it was illegal than 45 million abortions would have still happened.

anyone understand this? i know it's difficult, but try.

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Originally posted by smada:
Religion can't be part of anyone's arguement because we aren't dealing with one ethnic group. We are talking about an issue in a diverse country.

Religion is a major factor on this issue regardless. It is a matter of morality and ethics.