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Picture of CuteButPsycho
Registered: November 26, 2004
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OK, for those of you that don't know what euthanasia is, it's doctor assisted sucide for patients that are terminally ill. I live in canada and whether euthanasia should be legallized has been an ongoing debate for several years now. And as with everything else there is two sides to this arguement: 1.Euthanasia should be allowed because it would be the person's choice, they're gonna die anyway, and this way they can go peacefully with all their loved ones around them, or
2.Euthanasia should not be allowed because if we allow that, then it could be argued later on that because providing treatment for terminally ill people is a strain on the the governments money, people could be pressured into euthanasia.It could also be argued that the government might just start euthanizing anyone that is a strain on the governments money, mainly disabled people.
Personnally, I think that as long as it remains the persons choice to be euthanized and that they really are terminally ill, it could work out, what do you think?
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Damn, you're right. I never studied Latin much *shrugs*

In any case, my point still stands. It's a now bad word rooting from an innocent word.


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So? The N word came from Spanish "negro" but that doesn't mean "negro" is a bad thing.

Latin deary. It comes from latin. "niger" It's where negro(negra)comes from too.


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Do you wanna bet?? What do you think Hitler nicknamed the genocide of the Jewish people? Thats right EUTHANASIA!!


So? The N word came from Spanish "negro" but that doesn't mean "negro" is a bad thing.


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Registered: June 23, 2004
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If the patient is under the age of 18 and is either a unresponsive or desires euthanasia, the decision is left up to the legal gaurdian. A council might even have to be created to reveiw cases for authenticity and oversee the process appropriately and ethically.


I was talking about this subject with a colleague, peer, and great friend, of whom I have the deepest respect, and she said that it would just be easier (this was mainly about the Schiavo case) if people had living wills drawn up...

And this is off the subject, but usually when a patient is unresponsive/in a coma, etc. the spouse will have the sayso in the case, but what about states that don't recognize certain marriages, if you know what I'm talking about...

Once again, i'm sorry if this was a little off subject. I guess it didn't have all that much to do with eutanasia, but it's kind of similar...if you squint and tilt your head a bit... Razz


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Registered: May 27, 2005
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I seriously doubt that the medical comunity would ever pressure people into something like that. Especially if the concept of euthanasia is already so contraversial. I really don't think that doctors or the government would be so cold as to suggest terminating the life of an adult for economic reasons.


Do you wanna bet?? What do you think Hitler nicknamed the genocide of the Jewish people? Thats right EUTHANASIA!!

once we start killing for good reasons where will we stop. Personnally though, I beleive that euthanasia could be appropriate under certain cases. But they had better be SPESIFIC(sp?)


Sure I'll bet.

Hitler didn't commit genocide for economic reasons. And I still doubt that an extremist group could get a hold of euthanasia rights and corrupt them to commit murder. It just isn't probable, especially in a modern and moderate country like Canada.

Really, I don't know why I deserved that little outburst- I happen to agree with you dear. Roll Eyes Of course any new policy needs specific guidelines.

I think the legal specifics shoul allow euthanasia in the cases of fatal or painful illness or injury with witnessed patient consent in an authorized clinic. (God, I'd hate to be paying the malpractice insurance on that facility.)

If the patient is under the age of 18 and is either a unresponsive or desires euthanasia, the decision is left up to the legal gaurdian. A council might even have to be created to reveiw cases for authenticity and oversee the process appropriately and ethically.

The limits seem fairly obvious.


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Registered: June 04, 2004
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I tried bringing the subject up in one of my classes. It was around the time of the Terri Schiavo case. Well telling a class of of conservative Christians who extremely slanted and narrow-minded that you support euthansia in some cases doesnt go over well.
I guess the mindset must be that you have to support everything your teacher says without hesitation...it sucks.
My class is so sheltered so close-minded, that some go to the lengths of berating someone soley because they believe somthing different from what they believe. the very thing i try to stop occurs in people that hold the same beliefs i do.
well i just want to thank the YN community for helping me be more...open-minded and that i dont shut down people soley bvecause of they're beliefs.


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Registered: August 22, 2003
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Originally posted by clpo13:
Euthanasia is like abortion. It should be allowed, but not depended on.


I aggree. We need to have a strick set of guidelines for both.


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But thats besides the point, what i'm trying to say is that it can be argued that once we start killing for good reasons where will we stop.


There is such a thing as killing for good reasons, that's the problem.

People overestimate human life too much.


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Registered: November 26, 2004
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I seriously doubt that the medical comunity would ever pressure people into something like that. Especially if the concept of euthanasia is already so contraversial. I really don't think that doctors or the government would be so cold as to suggest terminating the life of an adult for economic reasons.

Do you wanna bet?? What do you think Hitler nicknamed the genocide of the Jewish people? Thats right EUTHANASIA!! Even thought there wasn't any documented case of euthanasia in Germany, because that isn't what happened.But thats besides the point, what i'm trying to say is that it can be argued that once we start killing for good reasons where will we stop. Personnally though, I beleive that euthanasia could be appropriate under certain cases. But they had better be SPESIFIC(sp?)
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To make euthanasia illegal is removing a huge freedom from a person; to choose whether he wants to live or not. Which is insane.


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Registered: February 27, 2003
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Originally posted by clpo13:
Euthanasia is like abortion. It should be allowed, but not depended on.

Once again clpo comes through...I totally agree with you.


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Registered: June 14, 2004
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Religious community excluding me...

Clpo, you said it best. I agree.


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Registered: June 23, 2004
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Indeed...and besides, it's sad to see a loved one become a vegetable and not be able to remember anything or learn anything (not saying all people who are deemed at a vegetative state are like that...i hate it when people jump on me for generalizing, so i need to watch my but for that...); and indeed, it is their life to take...


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Registered: May 27, 2005
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Originally posted by clpo13:
Euthanasia is like abortion.


Whoa there. While I agree with the spirit of your post, let's not go making broad comparrisons like that for our dear religious community who will undoubtedly find their way here.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Euthanasia is like abortion. It should be allowed, but not depended on.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Euthanasia should be legal. If you don't have a choice over your own life, you don't have a choice over anything. Horrendous pain is worse than death.

I seriously doubt that the medical comunity would ever pressure people into something like that. Especially if the concept of euthanasia is already so contraversial. I really don't think that doctors or the government would be so cold as to suggest terminating the life of an adult for economic reasons.


"I am my brain's publisher." -Philippe Stark
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