We shouldn't feel sorry when kids are made fun of for being obese. Unless they have some sort of disorder, but most of the time kids are just flat out lazy. Parents are irresponsible for letting them get 100 pounds overweight. Why aren't we? Because we get active! We don't sit for hours in front of the T.V. eating junk food. We're outside or playing sports or participating in the latest school activity. Exercise, eat right, and stop sitting around on the couch! I know that sounds harsh, but I am a firm believer that your mind is very powerful. If you set goals and fight to achieve them, you'll get there.

Alot of the time though its because its hereditary. Its not because your lazy. I know alot of cases where it doesnt matter what the person does, their always a bit heavy.

change that damn cat

Sorry Worth, I guess I just didn't read all your posts closely enough.

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And I am an overweight person so I feel I have a right to talk about us (myself) however I want.

Like I can make Jew jokes!!!

we should shift this discussion away frm "overweight people" and more toward eating habits to be nicer. good call sho

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You're talking about overweight people like they are different than you. I don't think that we should be making fun of them or feeling sorry for them. How about just treating them like people, who've made certain decisions regarding their body? That's all it is, when it boils down to it. Unless, of course, they have some kind of disorder. But, I mean, other than that it's really up to the individual how much they try to control their body, and how much they like or dislike it. By putting out a blanket statement that, 'We should feel sorry for fat people,' think about what you're doing. You could be feeling sorry for someone who loves their body, has great self esteem, and doesn't mind a few extra pounds. Or, you could be making someone who wishes you wouldn't notice that little belly that they're working to make go away feel a whole lot worse. Just treat them like people, the same as you.

Uh...that's basically what I was trying to say, Sho.

And I am an overweight person so I feel I have a right to talk about us (myself) however I want.

Oh, come on , guys.

You're talking about overweight people like they are different than you. I don't think that we should be making fun of them or feeling sorry for them. How about just treating them like people, who've made certain decisions regarding their body? That's all it is, when it boils down to it. Unless, of course, they have some kind of disorder. But, I mean, other than that it's really up to the individual how much they try to control their body, and how much they like or dislike it. By putting out a blanket statement that, 'We should feel sorry for fat people,' think about what you're doing. You could be feeling sorry for someone who loves their body, has great self esteem, and doesn't mind a few extra pounds. Or, you could be making someone who wishes you wouldn't notice that little belly that they're working to make go away feel a whole lot worse. Just treat them like people, the same as you.


That said, I find the topic about eating habits a little more intersting. My body really doesn't tell me when it's hungry. I love food, but I just don't notice...so I'll be wrapped up in something else, and skip two or three meals without even thinking about it.

I have the opposite situation of everybody who's posted about the kind of food their parents buy. Mine are health food nuts, and they don't like bringing sugar into the house. This is both good and bad- I can't gain weight too fast, simply because there's nothing around for me to do it with. When I went to camp for three weeks last summer, I put on more pounds than everybody else from the crap they served us at camp, just because I'm used to all healthy food. But, man, most of the food we have in my house is gross. Not to mention that I hate meat, so my diet is mostly pasta, whole grain bread, fruits, and vegetable. I would fail at the Atkins diet. And, sometimes I skip meals more, simply because there's no food in the house that I would even remotely consider eating...

Eh, what else? Oh yeah, healthy desserts. Try making french toast, crepes, or waffles, and putting fruit in them. It's very much yummmm. Also, you can make a pretty good healthy apple crisp with a granola and honey crust and baked apples and cinnamon. OH and homemade applesauce is the easiest thing ever, just cut up the apples and boil em and put in some cinnamon and nutmeg..trust me, it's a whole world of difference from the store bought stuff.

And if you don't think people consume more than one banana per day, you have never met my father.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
Worth, you seem to have a good situation. Boyfriends, good people who dont make fun, etc. Overweight people would probably fare better in your situation since my group of friends etc. are a little more cut-throat than yours.

Well, while my situation seems to be better than most, I have had experience with "cut-throat" people. I just don't surround myself with them. I like nice people.

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I guess you are right and I will give in, beign overweight is not a death sentence (well in terms of cardiovascular health it may be), but it sure must be no fun at all. But then again, being overweight may be a death sentence to some, it just depends on who you are. People starve themselves and purge just not to be overweight, I think that to those people being fat is a death sentence.

oh well, i guess we will never coe to an agreement on who is right, so lets just say that being overweight affects people differently depending on their personality and the personal quality of their day to day company.

Let's just agree to disagree. It makes the world a better place.

Worth, you seem to have a good situation. Boyfriends, good people who dont make fun, etc. Overweight people would probably fare better in your situation since my group of friends etc. are a little more cut-throat than yours.

my world is not a fantasy world, here kids who are fat go stag throughout their entire highschool life for the most part. I can be a fair witness to that, and the ashtray floating above your head

I dont think anyone can stand being in a relationship with someone who is "uninteresting, not funy, and/or has absolutely no personality"....solution : dont have a relationship. but i dont want to talk about how I personally go after women or whatnot anymore than this here so lets drop that

I guess you are right and I will give in, beign overweight is not a death sentence (well in terms of cardiovascular health it may be), but it sure must be no fun at all. But then again, being overweight may be a death sentence to some, it just depends on who you are. People starve themselves and purge just not to be overweight, I think that to those people being fat is a death sentence.

oh well, i guess we will never coe to an agreement on who is right, so lets just say that being overweight affects people differently depending on their personality and the personal quality of their day to day company.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
feeling for someone via imagining myself in their situation while not actually being in their situation is called empathy.....not many people have that trait, and I dont care what you say I value it

But you imagine being overweight as a death sentence. That is clearly not what it is.

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i know what self esteem is, and i know it is hard to find that when at the end of the day kids will always bust out "the fat joke"

You must go to one of those schools that people see in the movies.

I never hear a fat joke. Ever. I've gotten called fat once in the past two years of high-school. And not to my face.

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this isnt just about fat people, it is about anyone who is rejected and ridiculed for something they dont have much controll ond

This is just about overweight people. Don't try to make it about something else because I may feel differently about a few things (such as mental retardation).

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what you say about girls not caring about what a guy looks like. that is not true. overweight kids are a taboo. yeah sure i see some husky kids with girls, but when I say "fat", "obese", or "overweight", i am refering to kids who are quite heavy.

It is true. I've seen it for myself. Again, this must only be untrue in your fantasy movie world.

And you can't interchange overweight and obese. By clinical definitions they are two completely different things. There are actual levels of weight gain. It starts out as overweight and then goes on to like grossly overweight and then to obese and then to something like grossly obese and finally to morbidly obese. Obese is when you are like 101.-200 pounds more than you should weight. Overweight is only like 50-100. I don't know the actual ranges; this is only a guestimate from something I read. But I'm sure it's something that can be found on the Internet.

But, regardless, my point is that they are two completely different classifications.

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yeah fine you didnty make fun of me, but you made me seem and feel like a *****ng as* hole just for saying that I feel for overweight people. *******it what is your problem. dont you like it when someone stands up for the chubby kid?

Will you stop asking "what is my problem"? You sound like you're 10 years old.

Of course I think it's good that someone stands up for and overweight kid if they are getting teased. But eventually (and especially in high-school) they need to realize how to stand up for themselves and have confidence in themselves.

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you also make me feel like a douche for valuing good looks in girls. wow big deal, I am a bit shallow. I dont care. I will look for personality when I decide I want to get married or take life and relationships seriously

You don't have to be committed to value personality. How in the world can you stand being in a relationship with someone who is uninteresting, not funny, and/or has absolutely no personality?

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stop making it seem like every fat kid who is not happy is weak of will power. im sure they wish they couldve had two awesome relationships like you have to give them a little boost in the confidence department. so thank your lucky stars that you have found a soul mate or whatever.

Just like you don't need a good body to have confidence, you also don't need a significant other to have confidence. I had confidence before I ever had my first boyfriend. Now, of course, that boosted my confidence even more but what I'm saying is that people (especially HS-aged kids) need to realize that it is not necessary to have a good body or be a knockout or have a boyfriend/girlfriend or any of that stuff to be happy and have confidence in themselves.

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you would be arguing a different point if you had not ever been in a realtionship before. but fortunately for you , you have, but not all kids find "good guys who value personality over everthing else", because those types are quite rare

Then how come most of the guys I know are like that?

feeling for someone via imagining myself in their situation while not actually being in their situation is called empathy.....not many people have that trait, and I dont care what you say I value it


i know what self esteem is, and i know it is hard to find that when at the end of the day kids will always bust out "the fat joke"

this isnt just about fat people, it is about anyone who is rejected and ridiculed for something they dont have much controll on


what you say about girls not caring about what a guy looks like. that is not true. overweight kids are a taboo. yeah sure i see some husky kids with girls, but when I say "fat", "obese", or "overweight", i am refering to kids who are quite heavy.


yeah fine you didnty make fun of me, but you made me seem and feel like a *****ng as* hole just for saying that I feel for overweight people. *******it what is your problem. dont you like it when someone stands up for the chubby kid?

you also make me feel like a douche for valuing good looks in girls. wow big deal, I am a bit shallow. I dont care. I will look for personality when I decide I want to get married or take life and relationships seriously

and i would be devestated if I became overweight. I wouldnt get any girls. I also would feel like **** because going from awesome physiological freak shape to crap is not something that your body or your mind would react well to.

stop making it seem like every fat kid who is not happy is weak of will power. im sure they wish they couldve had two awesome relationships like you have to give them a little boost in the confidence department. so thank your lucky stars that you have found a soul mate or whatever.


you would be arguing a different point if you had not ever been in a realtionship before. but fortunately for you , you have, but not all kids find "good guys who value personality over everthing else", because those types are quite rare

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Originally posted by AMF8:
i was trying to express my sympathy for fat kids and you tear me apart.

I have a problem with people feeling sympathy when they only think they know what the kids are feeling even though they've never been in the situation themselves.

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what is your ******* problem. being fat sucks, I feel bad for them, why do you have to make fun of me for that? mayb your life is not miserable, but plenty of kids life is because of their weight.

First of all, I have said this many a time to you: Grow up, read posts thoroughly before responding, and speak to me like I'm a mature human being.

I wasn't "making fun of you." I don't make fun of people. Often.

Their lives shouldn't be miserable just because they are overweight. It's called self-esteem.

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sorry i used the word fat, i just dont feel like typing "overweight" every 5 words (african american, homosexual anybody?).

Well don't be lazy then. Gay people usually don't mind being called gay. Blacks usually don't mind being called black. Fat people always mind being called fat. Overweight isn't much better but it's a start.

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you made my friend seem like some welp who is weak of will power. who the **** are you to judge that. if he is that, it is because of him being overweight. he is not happy. he has resigned himself into not being able to get any girls. I see him take those fat jokes like a man. I can tell a better part of him is very unhappy

Everyone has been accusing me of judging them lately (see the cutters). I wasn't judging him. All of those things you describe about him clearly make him weak. He shouldn't take the fat jokes. He shouldn't be unhappy just because of his weight. I bet you anything it isn't the weight that is keeping the girls away. It's his lack of confidence. Some girls are shallow and will only look at appearance but most girls I know (and I know A LOT of all different shapes, sizes, and cliques) go for any guy that has confidence in himself, is a nice guy with a good personality, and will treat her well.

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and yes i value my fitnes because it helps females become sexually attracted to me, a thing that I like. something wrong with that? oh of course there is, and you will tell me.....

I didn't say valuing fitness is a bad thing. I said that valuing it so much that you would just be devastated if you got fat is a bad thing.

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You're very fortunate Worth that you've found two good guys, not everyone is that lucky. I think it also might be a gender thing. I know many guys that are not attracted to girls who are just skin and bones whereas I haven't seen [many] skinny girls dating overweight guys.

Yeah...that luck thing seems to be a trait of mine a lot of the time.

I've had the opposite experience of you. Most guys I've seen go for the thin girls while I've seen a lot of girls with overweight guys. But all the guys I know personally are good guys who value personality over everything else.

I think it's a medium between AMF and worth's point of veiw.

I'm not hugely overweight, but it knocks at my selfconfidence even if I don't notice. Not in things like schoolwork or music or anything like that, but dating alot. I expect people not to be attracted to me because of it, but I think that's part of a culture thing.

You're very fortunate Worth that you've found two good guys, not everyone is that lucky. I think it also might be a gender thing. I know many guys that are not attracted to girls who are just skin and bones whereas I haven't seen [many] skinny girls dating overweight guys.

Jesus ****ing christ worth

i was trying to express my sympathy for fat kids and you tear me apart.

what is your ******* problem. being fat sucks, I feel bad for them, why do you have to make fun of me for that? mayb your life is not miserable, but plenty of kids life is because of their weight.

sorry i used the word fat, i just dont feel like typing "overweight" every 5 words (african american, homosexual anybody?).

you made my friend seem like some welp who is weak of will power. who the **** are you to judge that. if he is that, it is because of him being overweight. he is not happy. he has resigned himself into not being able to get any girls. I see him take those fat jokes like a man. I can tell a better part of him is very unhappy

and yes i value my fitnes because it helps females become sexually attracted to me, a thing that I like. something wrong with that? oh of course there is, and you will tell me.....

Obesity can be helped with a healthy diet and a fair amount of exercise. If no one was willing to help people who suffer from obesity it would be like not helping people with ALS (Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) also called the Lou Gehrig's disease. Some people do not have enough money to buy healthy food and others may not have enough time to exercise because they are working more than one job. Most people are their own downfall and most of those people know it. Some want to change and be healthy again, but are having a hard time on their own. We can't just ignore the things around us, obese people included.

First, I would like to repeat this. Take a careful look at what the author said.

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Originally posted by WorthWaitingFor:
There's a difference between feeling sorry for someone simply because they are obese and this...

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We shouldn't feel sorry when kids are made fun of for being obese.

We should always feel sympathy/empathy for people who are being made fun of for something like being overweight or wearing glasses or any of the other things that kids get made fun of during the schoolage years.

Teasing people in a hurtful manner is always wrong.

So, no, I don't agree that we should feel sorry for people simply because they are obese. But we should feel sympathy for them and even step in and lend a hand if they're being made fun of because of it.

Now, on with the show:

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One of my best friends is overweight and I believe that it absolutely sucks for him. He has no confidence, and he cant get girls. Seriously, what is worse than never having a member of the opposite sex want you, ever.

1. Just because we are overweight does not mean we have to lead depressing lives with low self-esteem. He needs to work on that.

2. Just because we are overweight does not mean we can't "get" a member of the opposite sex. I am only 16 and have had two boyfriends, both lasting nine months or more. And both were skinny. And both were fairly good looking if not, dare I say, hot.

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the hot grl or guy in school will never look your way twice...not even once for that matter. and if you are the fat kid who is funny, you will benothing more to him/her as "the fat funny kid". I hear my friend claim he never really cared anyway, but I know he does, noone cant.

You can too not care. If someone doesn't like me because I'm overweight, then they aren't worth being my friend. It's that simple. It doesn't bug me if people have a problem with my weight (which most people don't, by the way) because I know I am smart, interesting, and fun to be around.

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how they got fat is not the problem (it is not always their fault. Genes. fastfood is fast, CHEAP, and tasty, perfect for the minimum wage family).the fact is that these people are fat, and they are miserable. this "love your body" crap for obeise people is denial. We should give them our sympathies and try to furnish some kind of safe working diet pill.

Again, just because I am overweight does not mean my life is miserable. Yes, it sucks. Yes, I am trying to lose the weight. But I still have a happy life. I am pretty and not so overweight that I look disgusting and I have friends who love me for who I am and a boyfriend who loves me for I am. I have fun and I am not in any way incapable of doing anything my friends do. My life is not miserable because I am "fat" (as you so lovingly call it).

I do, however, agree that we should develop a safe diet pill. That would make have my not-miserable life easier.

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i know if i were to become fat i would do almost anything to get skinny and fit again. Honestly, how awful would it be to be "that fat person at the next table". I sure as hell would not want it, and i think that a lot of fat people try their hardest to escape obeisity butjust dont get anywhere

You're talking about overweight kids having low-self esteem but it sounds like you're the one with low-self esteem. If your body means so much to you that you would hate yourself if you were not skinny and fit, then you need to get your priorities straight.

True, I would not show any sympathy towards obese kids. Only with the exception of natural disorder. Otherwise they deserve it, it is their lazyiness that resulted them to be overweight. If they say they had it hard, no they haven't. Since when someone makes fun of your weight, you should take that into consideration and CHANGE yourself. Make use of your lives, not just sit on the couch waiting to die fast and painfully. Being obese has no bright future.

I feel awful for any overweight kid. I feel awful for them. you have to realize that obeisety is in your genes (lazyness is probably also). Not to be boastful, but I am quite i am quite fit and muscular, and I know that I am fortunate to be posesssed with good genes that allow me to look good, and I feel badly for those who are not ortunate enough. One of my best friends is overweight and I believe that it absolutely sucks for him. He has no confidence, and he cant get girls. Seriously, what is worse than never having a member of the opposite sex want you, ever.

dont say that what i am saying is shallow, its not.

the hot grl or guy in school will never look your way twice...not even once for that matter. and if you are the fat kid who is funny, you will benothing more to him/her as "the fat funny kid". I hear my friend claim he never really cared anyway, but I know he does, noone cant.

thats the truth
and
thats awful

how they got fat is not the problem (it is not always their fault. Genes. fastfood is fast, CHEAP, and tasty, perfect for the minimum wage family).the fact is that these people are fat, and they are miserable. this "love your body" crap for obeise people is denial. We should give them our sympathies and try to furnish some kind of safe working diet pill.

i know if i were to become fat i would do almost anything to get skinny and fit again. Honestly, how awful would it be to be "that fat person at the next table". I sure as hell would not want it, and i think that a lot of fat people try their hardest to escape obeisity butjust dont get anywhere

fell bad for them and thank God or allah or whoever that it isnt you