In case you didn't notice, Benje. I'm from Texas. Not NY. NY does not apply to me.

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Originally posted by risika2004:
I smoke in public. If you don't like it, then move elsewhere. Smokers have every right to smoke in public as those who don't smoke.

Not in NY bars and resturants.

I do have to wonder how the studies are conducted. However, as long as I feel irritated by something and others around me do, I don't think there should not be some sort of law protecting them. Mind you people who say they have a problem with bass-screaming cars that there are often noise-protection laws in communities and I would advise you to contact the local authorities about what the statute says. You can then report license plate numbers to the police.

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Originally posted by FreeMarketLover:
British medical journal published a study in 2003 that concluded there was no conclusive evidence that second hand smoke causes health reprocussions. It is the most in depth study that has been conducted. CDC bases their points off of previous, less in depth studies.

Actually I would not be surprised if the CDC, in that press release-esque page that freedom linked, was a result of the infamous EPA study.

British medical journal published a study in 2003 that concluded there was no conclusive evidence that second hand smoke causes health reprocussions. It is the most in depth study that has been conducted. CDC bases their points off of previous, less in depth studies.

And?

.gov websites credible, haha

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Secondhand smoke is a cause of disease, including lung cancer, in healthy nonsmokers. Each year secondhand smoke kills an estimated 3,000 adult nonsmokers from lung cancer.

Secondhand smoke causes other respiratory problems in nonsmokers: coughing, phlegm, chest discomfort, and reduced lung function.

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Detectable amounts of nicotine, carbon monoxide, and other evidence of secondhand smoke can be found in the body fluids of nonsmokers exposed to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS).

Retrieved from CDCP: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/research_data/environmental/ets-fact.htm

Should you be forced to bathe? Body odor is just as sickening as ciggarette smoke, and neither have been conclusively found to cause cancer.
Might as well.

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Originally posted by riskbreaker86:
fine, ill come over and piss on your clothes, see how you lik eit.

I believe that would be breaking and entering, vandalism, and lewd conduct. Me smoking outside the corner deli is none of those things. 'Cept maybe loitering.

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The Constitution doesn't garauntee the right for everyone to be comfortable and free of thier personal pet peeves. Therefore the smoker is not infringing upon anyone elses rights in the process (since SHS is not harmful). So it's up to the non-smoker to decide whether they want to hang around the smoker or not. Just like it's your choice to turn the channel on the TV if the show offends you.

fine, ill come over and piss on your clothes, see how you lik eit.

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I think (referring to the first post) it's a matter of who has what rights. Do the smokers have the right to smoke in places they want to or the the non-smokers have the right to be free of smoke? It seems like a lopsided issue, but really, it's kind of difficult to decide.

The Constitution doesn't garauntee the right for everyone to be comfortable and free of thier personal pet peeves. Therefore the smoker is not infringing upon anyone elses rights in the process (since SHS is not harmful). So it's up to the non-smoker to decide whether they want to hang around the smoker or not. Just like it's your choice to turn the channel on the TV if the show offends you.

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my worry isnt getting ill from 2nd hand smoke, its the fact that cigerette smoke stinks, it gets on your clothes and is generally unpleasant

Hooray for the newer, more whiney flavor of Facism!

I love using hyperbole.

I think (referring to the first post) it's a matter of who has what rights. Do the smokers have the right to smoke in places they want to or the the non-smokers have the right to be free of smoke? It seems like a lopsided issue, but really, it's kind of difficult to decide.

I think I would probably be a smoker if I was old enough to buy cigarettes (yeah, I know it's a really bad habit and probably stupid) so I think ... it really depends on the place. Bars are generally unhealthy places in the first place, and there's been smokers in bars for ages.

There's a SHS thread somewhere on here, Agua. The Doctor had the most accurate SHS stats. SHS is nearly non-existant, as I learned.

Unless someone can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that second-hand smoke directly kills other people, people will continue to smoke where they're allowed.

my worry isnt getting ill from 2nd hand smoke, its the fact that cigerette smoke stinks, it gets on your clothes and is generally unpleasant

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I've done a little research, and the answer seems to depend entirely on the source...

Yeah. Don't rely on philipmorrisUSA.com - I've learned my lesson.

I smoke in public. If you don't like it, then move elsewhere. Smokers have every right to smoke in public as those who don't smoke.

What is the real danger of secondhand smoke, anyway? I've done a little research, and the answer seems to depend entirely on the source...

Of the information, that is. Not the source of the smoke.

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When someone smokes in public it put's everyone around them in second-hand smoke danger,

Like babies and pregant women.

or you could avoid walking within 5 feet of the smoker.....gawd

Yes: i think there should be some kind of ban for smoking in public places.

When someone smokes in public it put's everyone around them in second-hand smoke danger,

Like babies and pregant women.