Ok so i wanted to know your opionions on this. Would you help someone kill themselves if they were in al whole lot of pain and they wanted to die? Or if you were in that situation would you want to have someone help you commit suicide?

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Originally posted by onfire4God:
Suicide shows weekness

suicidal people are often clinically depressed. clinically depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT WEAK!


also, it's probably not a good idea to take advice from people who can't spell "weak"

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Originally posted by onfire4God:
Im only 16 and I understand 100% why i fell this way, and the majority of my feelings come from life experiences--some that i wish i had never had. We all have to relize that depression is a part of life and we just have to pull up our socks and SUCK IT UP!!!

Bad circumstances are a part of life. Sadness is a part of life. Clinical depression is an illness most people are lucky enough to not have to endure. While most people do indeed have days where they muse about what it would be like if they just threw in the towel...that's not depression. That's not even close. I agree with you that if you're depressed it can be a lot easier to commit suicide than to go on living, but don't go around telling people to "suck it up." I'm sure if people who committed suicide felt like they could have toughed it out, they would have.

For all of that, I still would never help a person kill him/herself because of their mental pain alone, just because depression and other psychiatric illnesses can so greatly distort how you see the world. You can believe with all your heart that things simply cannot get better one day and then feel completely different a few months down the line.

i am probably the last person in the world to say anything, because i am not exactly perfect, but then again who is? Anyway, life is a gift--even when times are hard and we/the people around us want to die.Suicide shows weekness, and assisted suicide shows an even weeker side of a person. But for someone to live life even through the toughest times and let nature take its course--that takes true strength.Believe it or not...living is harder to do then suicide. And even if i begged for death, i wouldnt want if it did not come on its own and i would never help a friend or anyone kill themself. People weren't meant to go through life alone, that is why the world is full of people, that is why we have family, and that is why we have friends. Im only 16 and I understand 100% why i fell this way, and the majority of my feelings come from life experiences--some that i wish i had never had. We all have to relize that depression is a part of life and we just have to pull up our socks and SUCK IT UP!!!

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But if I got real I'd get depressed.

Then just don't think about it. I'm certainly no optimist, but that doesn't mean I get depressed all the time.

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I just want them to be happy

then kill these poor people!

Heaven and hell save us from the whims of rabid moralists

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Originally posted by Sonilala:
And don't help them kill themselves. It's still life. And every human's life is important. It is what I want. I want the world to be good. I know it won't be that way, not for awhile, perhaps not forever. But if you don't do anything else in your life, value human life.

You're valuing an ideal over actual humans. I have to agree with EG: that's just plain selfish and sick.

If you feel so strongly about this, then make it clear that you don't want anyone to pull the plug on you, no matter what. But that's where everyone's rights on this issue should end. As soon as people get together and start demanding that others' end-of-life rights be stripped away in the name of upholding some inevitably ridiculous moral code -- wanting the world "to be good," for instance -- that's when my stomach turns.

The world is not black and white. If, God forbid, you should ever have a relative endure a long battle with an illness and find yourself simultaneously shedding tears and breathing a sigh of relief when he/she finally passes, you'll know what I mean.

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Selfish because you aren't thinking about them, you're thinking about what YOU want.

You know what? Maybe you're right. I just want them to be happy. When they are dead, they aren't much of anything except for dead. Keep them company through the illness, don't abandon them. Don't look down on them. And don't help them kill themselves. It's still life. And every human's life is important. It is what I want. I want the world to be good. I know it won't be that way, not for awhile, perhaps not forever. But if you don't do anything else in your life, value human life.

(By the way, 4 years don't amount to much. It just means that you've worked longer than I have at understanding reality the way you want to.)

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Originally posted by Sonilala:
So I dream of better things for the world. So what? You being 4 years older than me has no hold in the matter. No, I don't think Ebola patients are very happy in general. I still think they can bring smiles to other's faces. You're telling me to get real. But if I got real I'd get depressed. I like to think things and people can change.

So, you admit your head is in the clouds. I'm sorry but reality fucking sucks. You can pretend it can be better, but it can't. My extra 4 years on earth have given me the life experience to realize that.

It's even more pessimistic to force someone to live through a gory illness because you think "they can bring a smile to someone's face". That's sick. And selfish. Selfish because you aren't thinking about them, you're thinking about what YOU want.

So I dream of better things for the world. So what? You being 4 years older than me has no hold in the matter. No, I don't think Ebola patients are very happy in general. I still think they can bring smiles to other's faces. You're telling me to get real. But if I got real I'd get depressed. I like to think things and people can change.

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Originally posted by Sonilala:
Some people are amazing and have a certain quality about them, even if they are in so much pain, that makes others smile.

ARE YOU DENSE???

I strongly suggest you study Ebola. I watched a documentary on it a while ago and none of those people looked happy. Nor did they even attempt to. They were mostly screaming or crying blood.

EDIT: Posted too soon. My bad.

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Granted, it's not as bad as Ebola by far, but she always had a smile on her face and made everyone around her smile too. Even when she got really sick she still smiled whenever anyone was around. Some people have the ability to do stuff like that, to make others happy whether or not they realize it.

I bet you shit marshmallows....

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And if Ebola's kill speed is so short, why end it faster? If it is going to end your life sooner than someone else's, why not wait for it to kill you?

To save them from the pain. And the horror they would live through before it killed them.

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Saves a lot of time and stress

WHAT?! I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty stressed if my brain was melting and my intestines were leaking out of my ass. I'd rather die. And if no one would kill me even if I begged. I'd make sure to cough in their food.

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Sure life isn't all roses and candy, but it doesn't have to be all pessimistic either.

I bet that was the last thing that went through the dinosaurs' heads before they all got their shit ruined by a meteor. Sure, it doesn't have to be, but it is.

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Originally posted by Sonilala:
Someone with Ebola can still bring a smile to another person's face.

That seriously made me laugh out loud. I checked your age, and it doesn't surprise that a 16 year old would say something so silly.

You honestly think that Ebola patients are laughing it up while they're practically melting from the inside out?

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Those people aren't very much different than you and me, they just have a virus that has a high mortality rate.

And they're bleeding out of every orifice...

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Potential good, they can spread love to others and reach out to others with that same disease. They could help others find peace on their deathbeds, in their regular lives. Just by being alive.

There aren't any Ebola support groups like that, because most of its members would be dead within a couple weeks.

Seriously, those people would probably be in too much pain to be able to articulate any sort of messages of love. Get real.

Some people are amazing and have a certain quality about them, even if they are in so much pain, that makes others smile. I knew this lady once, who had Lupus. Granted, it's not as bad as Ebola by far, but she always had a smile on her face and made everyone around her smile too. Even when she got really sick she still smiled whenever anyone was around. Some people have the ability to do stuff like that, to make others happy whether or not they realize it.

And if Ebola's kill speed is so short, why end it faster? If it is going to end your life sooner than someone else's, why not wait for it to kill you? Saves a lot of time and stress.

I never said there was something good about Ebola, did I? If I did, I just meant that people should make the most out of whatever situation they are in. Sure life isn't all roses and candy, but it doesn't have to be all pessimistic either.

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Someone with Ebola can still bring a smile to another person's face.

How in the hell could they do that? They're in so much pain that their organs are literally liquifying! Their brains are being fried and pureed inside their skulls. Unless it's someone who gets off on other people being in extreme pain that isn't bringing joy to any one

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The medical field is expanding all the time and who knows? Someone could come up with the cure or something to help sufferers last awhile longer

Modern medicine can't even cure the common cold, no way in hell Ebola is going down and why would any one want to last longer? The only thing merciful about it is that ebola's kill speed is as short as it is.

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If someone had an extremely gory disease, why would they be alive to complain?

They usually live through several and sometimes weeks of agony. I hope you aren't that ignorant...

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Or even if they are, everyone has a purpose in life and on the earth. Killing people, even if they ask for it, robs them of fulfilling their purpose. Besides, you wouldn't be making them live through it, you just wouldn't be helping them end something that could potentially be good.

Well, I hate to burst your hippy bubble, but life is not as optimistic as you want it to be. Not all diseases are pretty and not all of them are curable. And yeah, you'd have to be really sadistic to honestly look at someone going through that and asking you to kill them, and say, "Oh no, there are better things out there for you! TeeHee!". And there is nothing good about Ebola. Honestly...

Have you ever noticed how one person can make another person's day? How some people care so much for others that they give their all in everything that they do? Maybe someone who contracts that virus will be able to withstand it a little longer than others. The medical field is expanding all the time and who knows? Someone could come up with the cure or something to help sufferers last awhile longer. Someone with Ebola can still bring a smile to another person's face. Those people aren't very much different than you and me, they just have a virus that has a high mortality rate. Potential good, they can spread love to others and reach out to others with that same disease. They could help others find peace on their deathbeds, in their regular lives. Just by being alive.

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you just wouldn't be helping them end something that could potentially be good.

Jeeessuss.... puppies and rainbows is right, go look up Ebola Zaire and tell me what can be potentially good about that.

If someone had an extremely gory disease, why would they be alive to complain? Or even if they are, everyone has a purpose in life and on the earth. Killing people, even if they ask for it, robs them of fulfilling their purpose. Besides, you wouldn't be making them live through it, you just wouldn't be helping them end something that could potentially be good.

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Puppies and rainbows?

Yes, because someone with a horrible, incurable disease isn't going to have a poetic moment of realization like they do in the movies. And I'm 100% sure they wouldn't "not know how to react".

When your liquid organs start leaking out of your sphincter, chances are good that you've figured out exactly how to react, long before you've gotten to that point.

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And, to make a point, I never said anything about not letting them die. I am just against helping them die.

What if they ask? What if someone who has an incurable and an extremely gory disease begs to die? You'd be a real asshole to make them live through that needlessly.

You know if there really is a right to life, isn't there also a right to death? It's our existance if it's going to hurt so much and there's nothing to change it why live through all the torment, end it now.

Just a note, if I ever have Ebola I swear on the almighty I'll shoot myself if someone won't help me do it. That type of death I would wish on no man.