If charity begins at home, then what about the homeless? What is the best way to help the homeless or do they even deserve help?
Some people think that the majority of the homeless deserve to be homeless. Others feel that they are mostly victims and casualties of a failing economy.
Some people believe that giving money to the homeless is an act of charity. Others believe that the money you give will only go to alcohol and drugs.
Imagine you are homeless. What would you want? What would you need? What do you think you would deserve to get?
You have homeless in shelters, you have homeless in your streets, and you have homeless in your schools. Being homeless is just a step out your own door. Think it can't happen to you? Think again and think aloud!
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Duh, people believe homeless people are dirty are they are drunk, There not. You can get homeless by your house burning down are losing your job are by a huricane. The people who say that homeless people don't deserve it probably are the one who are spoil and rich and need to stop living in a bubble.
Exactly. That's why most ppl don't give them cash. It's funny that people think we do, and then they even want it to be taken away. It's like they're looking through an optimistic, naive lens and thinking with a harsh, capitalistic mind. *chuckle* Anyway, if you give them shelter, education, food, and jobs, they can make their own money and then we wouldn't have this problem to talk about. Ahh, world of perfect, self-less people.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science. --Albert Einstein
yes give these people food, shelter, an education and a job if you give them cash they'll (in general) just go buy booze
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Singer, I agree with your first three sentences. But since when does our government "just give" the homeless enough money to survive plus some extra cash for luxuries? And I've never heard of the homeless receiving currency of any sort, whether it be enough to buy a cappuccino or not. Sure, they receive services like temporary shelters, etc. But if homeless people had enough for "luxuries" they wouldn't still be coughing on our streets wearing rags and searching for food in the trash. And they wouldn't be able to buy those luxuries since, as far as I know, the government doesn't just hand them out cash, especially not more money than necessary.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science. --Albert Einstein
I think they should be helped but we can't do everything for them. They have to keep a job and make their own money. We can't just give it to them. That's one of the multiple reasons our economy is failing. We keep giving people who could get a job money to live of of and still have left for luxuries.
If I was homeless, I would need the basic needs just like everybody else. Shelter: My truck, Food: Keep a low to medium wage job, and Water: Same as Food. Thats why as soon as Im 18, Im at least keeping a vehicle.
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I beleive undoubtedly that I could become homeless.
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I meant to ask how you think most of the victims are now homeless
One can make anything sound ridiculous and as if the other is careless if one uses recent quotes to deflect old ones. I MEANT (past tense, like from PAST replies) what you thought happened to the victims since they're now homeless b/c you said that basically the only way to become homeless was through laziness or an eviction. I was implying by my question that natural disasters can cause homelessness, a fact you overlooked. Whatever...I think we misread eachother's replies way too often, which is unfortunate.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science. --Albert Einstein
Okay, I think that SOME homeless are just down for a little bit. But most of those, go to shelters, get a job and then are out, progressing again. That's not their fault.
SOME of the homeless are run-aways that now sincerely regret that they did so. If that is the case, though it is their fault, they deserve help.
SOME of the homeless are those that are mentally ill. Those deserve the right to a sound mind, thus they deserve medical attention.
SOME are druggies and alcoholics. They deserve to have control over themselves. They deserve help.
SOME are level 2&3 sex offenders, who if they're homeless, the government can't mark them, as they do to those that live in homes. WE SHOULD GET THEM OFF THE STREETS! Yes, they deserve the right to turn their lives around. But for the safety of all woman and children (SOME MEN EVEN) THEY SHOULD BE TRACKED The government should know where they are. It's not safe to have them running around like that.
In otherwords, I'm not saying to leave them on the streets. There are things that I think they deserve, and we, as a people (not as a government) just from the goodness in our hearts, and the human charity in our minds, give them their unalienable rights.
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I beleive undoubtedly that I could become homeless.
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I meant to ask how you think most of the victims are now homeless
Obviously I don't think becoming homeless is impossible or dispicable.
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quote: what the hell do you think happened to victims of Hurricane Katrina?
They will move to other cities and get jobs. They will be OK.
I meant to ask how you think most of the victims are now homeless, not what will come of their lives.
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quote: explaining how you couldn't be one of them unless you were "defected" in some way (whether it be dementia, laziness or other things you mentioned).
I think you misread what I said. I beleive undoubtedly that I could become homeless. But I wouldn't be for very long. It is a matter of what you do while you are homeless that determines what will happen. I have volunteered in some pretty harsh shelters, the difference between the ones who stay and the ones who make it out is ingenuity; the knowledge of how to make a living and the choice to do so. The people devastated in katrina know how to make a living. You and I know how to make a living. My statement of the mentally ill is to give exception for those who are incapable of knowing how to operate in society.
True. I actually know a homeless man who is very sociable and nice. He used to have a really awful life: homeless, depressed, doing drugs, no family. But he went to school on a loan or whatnot and now he has an apartment and job. So yeah, people can always turn things around.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science. --Albert Einstein
what the hell do you think happened to victims of Hurricane Katrina?
They will move to other cities and get jobs. They will be OK.
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explaining how you couldn't be one of them unless you were "defected" in some way (whether it be dementia, laziness or other things you mentioned).
I think you misread what I said. I beleive undoubtedly that I could become homeless. But I wouldn't be for very long. It is a matter of what you do while you are homeless that determines what will happen. I have volunteered in some pretty harsh shelters, the difference between the ones who stay and the ones who make it out is ingenuity; the knowledge of how to make a living and the choice to do so. The people devastated in katrina know how to make a living. You and I know how to make a living. My statement of the mentally ill is to give exception for those who are incapable of knowing how to operate in society.
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But in present state of mind, it couldn't. I doubt many of the people on here could. Maybe for a few weeks if they lost their job and were evicted. But we know how to work at hard jobs that suck but bring home money. Those are the people that I want our mass effort to go to. We should make them pick themselves up by their bootstraps
FreeMarketLover, what the hell do you think happened to victims of Hurricane Katrina? They didn't become homeless becuase they were lazy, born into homelessness, are "mentally ill" or are otherwise insufficient as independent citizens as you imply all homeless people are. I understand you probably didn't have natural disasters in mind since one would assume the government would pick up the citizens affected from their unlucky fall, but that sort of thing is still something to consider when you're judging them as a group and explaining how you couldn't be one of them unless you were "defected" in some way (whether it be dementia, laziness or other things you mentioned).
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science. --Albert Einstein
Imagine you are homeless. What would you want? What would you need? What do you think you would deserve to get?
I would want a shelter. I would need a set of clothes for job interviews I would need a place to shower and shave I would need a shelter that allows me to use their address for mail(most do) I would need a free clinic so I didn't die of an every day infected cut kind of thing.
I think we owe them those things because they are human and those things will allow someone who is willing, to get back on their feet.
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Think it can't happen to you? Think again and think aloud!
Maybe if I became mentally ill(which is one of the reasons Reagan is a Dip****, he kicked all those people out of the institutions). But in present state of mind, it couldn't. I doubt many of the people on here could. Maybe for a few weeks if they lost their job and were evicted. But we know how to work at hard jobs that suck but bring home money. Those are the people that I want our mass effort to go to. We should make them pick themselves up by their bootstraps, but we can help with the pulling once we see that they are trying.
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Homelessness is horrible, and I really dont like it when people say that you should never give money to homless people because they are going to use it on drugs or booze. Thats not true for all cases. I agree, some homeless people do use the money for those reasons but not all of them do. Some people really do need help, and your contribution of 2 dollars or even a friendly smile in their direction can really help change things around.
As long as their are shelters open; including a place for them to get cleaned up, and some new clothes; any homeless person could get back on track with their lives...they just need the encoragement and motivation so many of us take for granted.
I think that the homeless do need help. I am sure that a lot of people are homeless because of something they have done in the past but i do think they should get a second chance. They should be able to get some kind of job to help get them on their feet and it would make our country a better place
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