A law is good because it was passed? That's circular thinking. In reality MANY laws are passed that don't have good reasoning behind them.

And that scares the crap out of me.

the city must be banning it for a reason...so again i say ...

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i commend the city's that have banned smoking in public places, hopefully more will follow in that direction.

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Originally posted by ChrissyLynn:
it isnt just the health risk....i litterally taste nothing but cigarettes when i am eating in a resturant..not to mention just a few minutes around someone smoking gives me the most terrible headache which i have to deal with for hours later...

Well, I guess we should ban people who wear too much cheap perfume or aftershave. What about people who blast music you don't like? How's about banning ugly people, or poor hygiene? You can't just legislate on your own personal pet peeves. Let the damned restaraunt owner deceide if they want to allow smoking or not.

We don't need another Carry Nation. Her movement caused us enough hassle.

it isnt just the health risk....i litterally taste nothing but cigarettes when i am eating in a resturant..not to mention just a few minutes around someone smoking gives me the most terrible headache which i have to deal with for hours later...

i have to say, i commend the city's that have banned smoking in public places, hopefully more will follow in that direction.

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and what "conclusive body of objective evidence" do you have to suggest there is no link to second hand smoke and health problems?

I never said that there was one disproving it. What I said was that there was no strong evidence PROVING it. On the contrary, almost every major study, despite the spin the organizations that funded them put on it, has shown that there is NO statistically signifigant correlation.

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there are studies linking SHS to health problems.

And there are studies that show no connection. Just because there are "studies" doesn't mean that it's true. You need repeated, signifigant evidence. That doesn't exist right now.

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so until someone gets off their butt and figures it out "conclusively"...i would rather not take the chance.

Well that's all well and good for you, however you can't go infringing upon people's freedoms because "oh I'd rather just not take the chance". That's why we have garunteed rights. You cannot pass legislation based upon personal fears and whims.

yes well i certainly wouldnt want to be swimming in someones urine, just as i dont want to taste a cigarette when i take a bite of food.

and what "conclusive body of objective evidence" do you have to suggest there is no link to second hand smoke and health problems?

there are studies linking SHS to health problems.

and for the argument "there is no proof those studies are even right"....
well there is no proof to say otherwise either.

so until someone gets off their butt and figures it out "conclusively"...i would rather not take the chance.

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"A SMOKING SECTION IN A RESTURANT IS LIKE A PEEING SECTION IN A SWIMMING POOL"

And people urinate in public pools all the time. It's actually not a huge health risk. Same thing with the vast majority of second hand smoke. Including restaraunts.

I've said this many, many times: There is no conclusive body of objective evidence that links second hand smoke to health risks.

At least this thread wasn't entirely dead.

And, as someone has said, if you think Americans are bad, you've never been out of the country.

my grandma died when i was 2, she had a combination of things from smoking, emphazema, lung cancer and she was hooked up to a HUGE oxygen tank just to be able to breath....she was 39 when she died, how sad.

i get so tired of people saying "well smoking is my right"

well living is mine....so as long as it isnt around me and my family then wonderful

"A SMOKING SECTION IN A RESTURANT IS LIKE A PEEING SECTION IN A SWIMMING POOL"

No way in hell marijuana is more addictive than cigarettes. How do I know? I've "quit" cigarettes 3 or 4 times and guess what I did a couple hours ago? Smoked a cigarette. I experienced a sort of withdrawls from quitting marijuana but that was because I did it so much (every day) and it kept me from sleeping at night when I didn't have it. But after about 3 days of not having it I was fine. I quit because I didn't have the money to spend on it anymore and I was trying to get a job. Cigarettes are much more addictive, I know since I find myself asking someone for one now that I won't buy myself a pack because I "quit" and guess what, it's so much easier to say no to a joint and then laugh when they try "peer pressure". I don't care what statistics say that cigarettes are less addictive than pot, if that was true I wouldn't have two cigarettes waiting for me in my truck for when I expect to get a craving tomorrow afternoon; I certainly don't have a nickel bag and some papers out there with them. It's funny how people who don't smoke cigs or pot will sit there and try to say whether it's addictive or not based on what some biased study on the internet said.

On another note, yes cigarettes are bad for you but people should have the right to smoke them if they want to (and do whatever else they want really, as long as they don't endanger others while doing it), provided they know what they are getting themselves into. Someone has already said that. I knew full well what I was in for when I started smoking a little over a year ago, and if I want to quit now it's my problem not the rest of the world's and I'm not going to try blaming any company or media like so many smokers who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. And I respect non-smokers by not smoking around them unless they specifically say it doesn't bother them, in which case they have made that decision.

I know none of you know me I just wanted to throw in my two cents to the discussion, maybe someone will find what I say to be valuable.

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I can tell you first hand that cocaine is more addictive than cigarettes.

Well no ****. Of course cocaine is more addicitive. Cocaine is in the aristocracy class of drugs.

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Originally posted by bauhaus:
I can tell you first hand that cocaine is more addictive than cigarettes. And pot is pretty low.

There has been not one single case of someone getting lung cancer or heart diease from smoking marijuana.

Yes I know that. Thats why I corrected myself.

I can tell you first hand that cocaine is more addictive than cigarettes. And pot is pretty low.

There has been not one single case of someone getting lung cancer or heart diease from smoking marijuana.

ceili ere in ireland. The smoking ban ere in ireland was a complete success after some initial adjustments. Perhaps other countries should apply it to theirs. if we dont change our habits now our children and the future generations will be the real sufferers! we need to think of the issue at hand and stop *****ing about the wrong info. Smoking is wrong we should not be fighting each other we should be working together to prevent all these health hazzards for mutual benefit

Lots of typos in that post. Sorry!!!!!

Ok.....wow. I went back and I reread my information and the page that I printed off of the internet. I do have to thank you, even though it is quite hard because rude people just really tick me off. For one, I gave the wrong site. I was looking at the wrong page. the site that I got the info about cocaine and marijuana is
[URL=www.health.org/features/kidsarea/pubs/sgr4kids/sgrmenu.aspx ]www.health.org/features/kidsarea/pubs/sgr4kids/sgrmenu.aspx [/URL]
I also typed in my infor matin wrong. When I originally wrote my report, I must have read it wrong, because I have been using the wrong information. I believe that I combined two of the facts and formed my own. The two that I combined were that "The SGR says that, compared with non-smokers, kids who smoke are 3 times more likely to use alcohol. They're 8 times more likely to smoke marijuana, and 22 times more likely to use cocaine." and "Quitting is not a pretty sight, because nicotine is as addictive as alcohol, heroin, or cocaine."

I am very grateful that you have ticked me off enough to go back through my information and realize that I was wrong.

And once again. I am not ridiculous obviously my facts are. But anyway, thank you for making me look back and realize that I posted the wrong information and I am also glad that you out of everyone who has read my posts, said something.

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Originally posted by soccergirl04:
You can find the statistics on www.ash.org and if you want

Honey, those statistics are based on the UK... we're talking about the US, get your facts straight.

Also, the site never shows anything about cocaine, or marijuana, and that is why you were questioned about the source of your stats in the first place.

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Originally posted by soccergirl04:
It causes more deaths in America than AIDS and car accidents combined.

Actually, car accidents are the leading cause of death to Americans, add that to the number of people who die with AIDS, and WHAT'S THAT YOU'VE GOT!!!? Why, it's a larger number than the number of people who die from smoking.

By the way, not all lung cancer is an effect of smoking.

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Originally posted by soccergirl04:
It is 8x more addictive than marijuana, and 22x more addictive than cocaine.

First of all, cocaine is more addictive than marijuana, according to statistics, so I now know that you pulled those stats out of your a*s. Also, cigarettes are less addicting than both.

You are ridiculous.

---Marijuana may not technically be an addictive substance, but people still can get addicted to its effects.

Ok, this is too all of the people who do smoke. Smoking is hazardous to your health, but you probably already know that. So you chose to smoke, but the people around you do not chose to breathe in the thousands of toxic chemicals that result from smoking. Second-hand smoke is ranked third as a major preventable death just behind smoking and alcohol. It kills more women each year than breast cancer and is the second leading cause of premature death among men.

And this is for all of the people who do not believe any of this. I did an extensive report for school on smoking and second-hand smoke, so I am pretty well versed in this area. I have researched this for months and I believe I have about 20 different sites and books that I got my information from and I'll gladly send my information to anyone that asks for it.

I think that the way ciggerettes are advertised is terrible. I wish that smoking commercials did not make me so want a ciggerette every time I see them. I do not smoke that much, maybe once every 2-3 months I'll have 1 or 2 ciggs. But, yes smoking is so bad for you, and it is highly addictive. I could never do it more than I am doing it now because I am such a health nut. I used to smoke every day, but I quit, and for some reason, it was really easy for me, I have no idea why because for most people it is usaully so hard. You really do have to be aware of the risks associated with it, and if you have children are loved ones who are non-smokers living with you, than you definately should not smoke around them, second hand smoke is pretty bad! But, it is pretty much a personal choice. I mean, you just gotta know what the hell you are getting yoursself into. When I'm in my 70's, I'll probably take up smoking alot because I'm going to die soon anyways at that point. But, yeah. Personal choice. I wish that some of my friends were not such heavy smokers, but all I can really do about it is encourage them to stop, but most of the time, they don't want to quit, and they are happy smoking. But if they want to quit, I will try to help them out with that.
Oh, and just to clear something up: Marjuana is not TECHNICALLY an addictive substance. Just to let you know.

go drive a car....like the little nascar boys and emit stupid fumes to go nowhere