What about the people who use marijuana for medical reasons? Is it not useful then? Some of the criteria you have to meet for it are: cachexia, cancer, chronic pain,chronic nervous system disorders, epilepsy and other disorders characterized by seizures, glaucoma, HIV or AIDS, multiple sclerosis and other disorders characterized by muscle spasticity and neausa. AND in Colorado, 54% of the voters approved Amendment 20 on Nov. 7, 2000, which ammends the states constitution to recognize the medical use of marijuana. So, I really do not understand the argument that "just because something is here doesn't mean it is always useful" marijuana is a good pain killer and it is recognized as such in colorado at least.

Yes, but marijuana is not poisonus so is does not matter if it is consumed.

The only reason it is illegal is because a loser, greedy man-bastard didn't want to lose money in the paper industry. In the thirties we were trying to start using hemp paper, which would have drastically decreased the profits of the logging industry so he did not want that to happen and thus he began a smear campaign against it.

who the hell knows what 'god' wants and doesn't want. maybe he wants all people dead. maybe he wants us to smoke weed. who knows.

god also put stuff that is poisonus on earth does that mean we're supposed to eat it or whatever and die?
just because something is here doesn't mean it is always useful.
although i do support the idea of legalizing marijuana

im all for it. you never hear of people overdosing on it or dieing because of it. it actually can be very helpfull. god put it here to be used. people over exgerate about how bad it is. theres nothing wrong with it. its just as bad as drinking or smoking cigs. which its better then it. yes it should be legalized.

You're done guess that means I win as usual. ^.-

It is still a plant that they use to stimulate the mind.

Plus they have canabinoid receptors, which indicates that thc can be an important part of their brain. or did you just not read what I had posted before...

If cats do not like marijuana then why do a lot of them go out of their way to find and eat it. If an animal chooses to eat a plant that isn't poisonus then why not let them? If they come to me while I am smoking and sit there while I blow smoke towards them how is that abuse?

Marijuana abuse... lmao.

The real reason why it is illegal is because a man named William Hearst had invested so much into the lumber industry for his newspaper that if hemp paper was going to be the primary source for paper products (which it was becoming) he would have lost a lot of money. That and the fact that people were racist back then and said that marijuana is evil because its primarily smoked by minorities.

I'm so sick of people thinking it's bad for you. It's not.
People need to stop being bozos.

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Cats get messed up on catnip, so why not other plants.

They don't get "messed up" on catnip. They like it because it smells like cat sex pheromones. It doesn't make them high, it gives them "needs".


Anyway, this discussion is boring. I'm done.

My cats go out of their way to find it when it is in my room. Thats a little different than what you are trying to say.

They eat it. Unpurpose, by themselves.

Cats get messed up on catnip, so why not other plants.

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
So sorry that I'm a terrible pet owner because my animals like it. I don't beat them, I don't starve them, they're pretty much the babies of the house. I can't help the fact that some of them love to be high. But I don't force it on them.

So what you are saying is that you would also give your baby children access to pot, based on whether or not they smiled at you when you blew pot smoke in their face, is it not? Oh and it's not like you forced your cats to be high by blowing the smoke at them.(Just so you all know the last sentence was overflowing with sarcasm.)

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How do you know? Because your cats aren't dead yet? What could be ok for humans or other animals, could be toxic for cats and vice versa. Regardless, you deserve to have your cats REMOVED from your care.

I know because cats are an animal that have cannabinoid receptors in their brain. Duh, why are you so effing dumb?

If my cat hated to be high why would he purr his ass off and cuddle me?

Cats enjoy being stimulated by catnip which is a plant, so who's to say they don't enjoy other plants.

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Never said that. I'm saying that if an animal is slightly less alert than normal, that can spell disaster for it in the wild. It would be advantageous for an animal not to eat marijuana for the sake of its survival.

The point isn't whether they should or shouldn't eat it, it's the fact that they do.

My cats like marijuana. Two of them do. Both came in while I was smoking, I blew the smoke at them, they smelled it, and they continued to sit there and allow me to do it. So that's totally abuse. I blew smoke towards my cats and they didn't run away. lol, I treat my cats better than any other person in the world. It's not like I force them to try it. They were just there and they stayed.

and I don't have to say so, it's blatantly obvious.

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lol, giving chocolate and weed to animals is completely different because one actually harms them and the other doesn't.

How do you know? Because your cats aren't dead yet? What could be ok for humans or other animals, could be toxic for cats and vice versa. Regardless, you deserve to have your cats REMOVED from your care.

And I brought that up as a comparison, because your reasoning for giving it to them is because "they like it". Well, dogs also like chocolate. And cats and dogs love antifreeze. That's no reason to give it to them.

So, again unless you're an expert on veterinary medicine you shouldn't be giving them any drugs not recommended by a vet at all, whether it comes from a weed, a flower, or tree bark.

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How do you know if animals don't like to be high?

I never said they don't like it. I just think that the possibility of them liking it is not a good reason to give it to them. And "they like it" =/= "it's not toxic".

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You act like alcohol and marijuana affect coordination to the same extent.

Never said that. I'm saying that if an animal is slightly less alert than normal, that can spell disaster for it in the wild. It would be advantageous for an animal not to eat marijuana for the sake of its survival.

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It's not my fault a couple of them like marijuana.

Yes, it is. You give it to them. They obviously don't go out and buy it for themselves.

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The arts are not your specialty. You are uncreative and do not have an open-mind. Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day.

Yeah, 15 years drawing experience and 7 years playing violin and cello, going from beginning orchestra to advanced symphony orchestra, ("Mississippi River" to Barber of Seville) in less than a year.... Totally not my specialty.

And I find that interesting. I'm almost Libertarian. But God help me if my reasons for supporting the legalization of marijuana and other drugs are slightly different from most other marijuana supporting sheep. God forbid I question not only authority but everyone else. THAT and nothing else is what makes me close-minded. If that's the case, then so be it.

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Have you ever tried playing high? You probably can't. But if you did you would get better than a sober person.

(Excuse the pun) I highly doubt that. I've noticed that some of the best young professional musicians out there tend to be Mormon.

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Yes and marijuana is not harmful to the body, smoke is. Do you not understand that or something?

I never said that it was. Hallucinate, much?

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Ooh, 300,000 thats it? Of course you probably assume that because I smoke weed I'm a failure at life.

That's starting pay for many medical professions...

Anyway, I don't think you'll be a failure at life for smoking weed. But try convincing your future employers that.

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You have book smarts which any fool can have but you do not have common sense nor can you think critically.

If you say so...

I can't help that they like it. They just do. One doesn't like it at all so she's never been high. The other two will come in occasionally and sit near the smoke. And one loves it enough to eat it. So sorry that I'm a terrible pet owner because my animals like it. I don't beat them, I don't starve them, they're pretty much the babies of the house. I can't help the fact that some of them love to be high. But I don't force it on them. lol, giving chocolate and weed to animals is completely different because one actually harms them and the other doesn't.

How do you know if animals don't like to be high? Inebriation and being high are completely different. I can drive high (of course you'll call me reckless for this even though I can drive perfectly normal) but I cannot under any circumstances drive drunk. You act like alcohol and marijuana affect coordination to the same extent.

No, you're just a bitch to me. Everytime I've ever been on this site you were always a bitch to me.

lol, yeah, go to my house and see how 'badly' I treat my cats. It's not my fault a couple of them like marijuana.

The arts are not your specialty. You are uncreative and do not have an open-mind. Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day.

Have you ever tried playing high? You probably can't. But if you did you would get better than a sober person.

I know I am better at things if I practice while high and that's all the proof I need.

Ooh, 300,000 thats it? Of course you probably assume that because I smoke weed I'm a failure at life. You really are a very close minded person. You are not a good critical thinker.

Yes and marijuana is not harmful to the body, smoke is. Do you not understand that or something?

good job responding to my source and the other parts of my post. You really are dumb. You have book smarts which any fool can have but you do not have common sense nor can you think critically.

Brehon, you know not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead this is like saying everyone who drinks is an alcoholic, I don't know why I have to keep saying this.

This is why this arguement is stupid. We just keep repeating the same things. We aren't going to agree and that's that.

Excuse me while I go beat my cute kitties.

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I don't agree with that. Obviously prohibition didn't stop people from drinking alcohol. Alcoholics would find a way just like drug users do.

Yes, but given the prevalence of alcohol, people who are likely to become alcoholics are more likely to come across alcohol and thus become alcoholics. I didn't mean that prohibition would remove any alcoholics that exist, but that a similar approach to pot would prevent people who have not tried pot thus far from trying it, and thus becoming pot heads.

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You do know that in America, after prohibition, there was more drinking than ever. People will do this regardless of legality.

This is only because drinking was so prevalent before hand. What you really need, if you were going to pursue a prohibition agenda, is to phase it out slowly, as is happening to smoking.

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It was genuine.

Sorry - I just wasn't sure. I know that's pathetic, and I apologise.

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The plant itself is very appealing looking because it smells good and looks pretty and has an interesting taste plus who knows what the animals experience from this.

If you don't know what they experience from it, how can you claim with certainty that they like it?

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3 of my 4 cats enjoy weed. One goes out of his way to eat it whenever is possible.

Sorry Brehon, I can't let this one slide, call me immature for this all you want...

If I were tech savvy enough to pull your personal information via your IP address, I would call the authorities in your area on you in a heartbeat and have your cats taken away. No fucking joke.

Congrats, you've pissed me off past the point of no return. Choke on all the weed you want, but the second you start involving innocent animals (especially cats) in your retarded activities, I lose it.

There are a lot of dogs that love the taste of chocolate. But we know they can't eat it, because it's toxic to them. The fact that they love it, is no reason to give it to them and if someone insisted on giving it to them because "they liked it" I would call animal control on them as well. Unless you're an expert at veterinary medicine, you don't know how marijuana can affect cats, whether they like it or not. You could be killing them for all you know. And for that, you are lower than dirt to me.

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An animal may not know that it is 'high' but it will feel more peaceful and relaxed as a result, which is no where near the same effects it would feel if it were intoxicated on something else or if it were poisoned.

Animals don't always know the difference. That is what I'm saying. And in the wild if an animal so much as limps once, it's dinner time for predators. I can't imagine what would happen if it were slightly inebriated.

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and as another side note, when someone insults me to the extent that she has for no reason except for some sort of personal vendetta against me

Well, I didn't have any vendettas against you. I don't waste my time and energy speaking to those I have a vendetta against. I just defended other members that you felt the need to insult. You're just mad that I didn't side with you instead. But now that you've admitted to being a cat abuser, I probably do have a vendetta against you now.

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If you are high and let's say all you do is play the piano, the next time you are sober, you will be significantly better than if you only practiced it sober. That's why marijuana can make you smarter.

Prove it.

In the arts (my specialty) I've found that sleep and practice is the most effective tool for improvement. You want proof? Click the link in my signature. Even so, I hope you realize you're implying that being able to do something autistic children can do better than most adults with normal intellects, makes one smart. If you are, one could come to the conclusion that using marijuana causes a form of autism.

What makes one smart is being able to retain knowledge and put it to use. Something that can be done with something as simple as reading, practice and enough sleep.

Also, don't ever say that to a professional pianist, they may point and laugh at you.

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Great, I'm so glad that you are one of those people who likes to have no fun. Good thing that I am not you and I like to have fun on the internet. I had no idea how serious the web is to you.

Well, in the future when I may be considered for a $300,000+ medical position, I want my employer to think I'm worth it.

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It is a miracle healer and should be used as such in our country.

There is no such thing as a miracle healer. The most that I've heard medical marijuana do is relieve pain and increase appetite, for which we already have treatments for. Unless it can cure AIDS, Cancer, Heart Disease, Ebola and Malaria, it is not a miracle healer.

Any medicine that is advertised by a distribution company (or any one person for that matter) as a miracle healer, usually ends up being banned by the FDA anyway due to the number of lawsuits and complaints. So, choose your words carefully or be prepared to show UNSPEAKABLY MASSIVE amounts of proof.

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Do I detect a trace of sarcasm? Or is this a genuine statement? I'm now so lost in the brutal accusations launched on this thread that my normally good sense for these things has been dizzied.

It was genuine. But Wolfie definitely won't get to enjoy my brilliant comebacks anymore, due to her admission of cat abuse. If I seem colder than normal, I apologize.

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Also, I'm not sure that it is the 'safest chemical for mankind', which is presumably something like glucose, or oxygen, or maybe H20.

Thank you for bringing that up. I notice that far too many proponents of medical marijuana seem to conveniently forget that (excuse my grammar) everything is chemicals. It's just a matter of which ones are harsher to our bodies than others.

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animals going out of their way to eat cannabis plants - it suggests that the brain produces cannabinoids and that cannabis doesn't have reinforcing properties, but it doesn't seem to even consider the evolutionary advantages of not eating plants that disorientate animals.

Not every animal has cannabinoid receptors. The ones that do aren't on some sort of marijuana spree either. I'm saying that animals like deer, if they find a plant, will devour the entire thing. The plant itself is very appealing looking because it smells good and looks pretty and has an interesting taste plus who knows what the animals experience from this. 3 of my 4 cats enjoy weed. One goes out of his way to eat it whenever is possible. Also, a lot of dogs enjoy marijuana too and get excited by the smell of it. Animals that can get high, generally enjoy it. An animal may not know that it is 'high' but it will feel more peaceful and relaxed as a result, which is no where near the same effects it would feel if it were intoxicated on something else or if it were poisoned.

Actually, no substance abuse would go down. People who smoke marijuana are less likely to become addicted to hardcore drugs. Plus if it were legalized hardcore drug use would go down. Think about it, a teenager who smokes pot has to buy it from a dealer. This dealer will probably also be selling cocaine or heroin. This makes the child more closely associated with those who do hardcore drugs. However if it were legalized and say only those who were 21 could purchase it then the association with actual potentially violent criminals is decreased, as well as illegal activities. Basically, when a kid has done something that is completely banned from the US they begin to think, "well I've done one illegal substance, what's the difference if I do cocaine." Marijuana is a gateway drug because of its legality, not the plant.

Yes there are potential risks involved when someone smokes every day. But aren't there more when a person drinks everyday?

You do know that in America, after prohibition, there was more drinking than ever. People will do this regardless of legality.

and as another side note, when someone insults me to the extent that she has for no reason except for some sort of personal vendetta against me, i will insult back. I'm sorry. I'm not Jesus, I don't turn the other cheek.

If you are high and let's say all you do is play the piano, the next time you are sober, you will be significantly better than if you only practiced it sober. That's why marijuana can make you smarter. Ritalin, I don't know the chemistry of it so I don't know.

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In the same that the fact that alcohol is so prevalent massively increases the number of alcoholics.

I don't agree with that. Obviously prohibition didn't stop people from drinking alcohol. Alcoholics would find a way just like drug users do.

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but don't you think that a large increase in substance abuse is likely to occur if cannabis was legalised?

Marijuana isn't addictive, generally speaking, so there is no reason a substance abuse problem would arise.

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Ritalin could make you smarter. It depends on what you do while you are intoxicated with it.

That really doesn't make any sense. If it depends on what you do with it, then it doesn't make you smarter.

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Yes, some of them do. Animals, like humans, dogs, cats and deer has canabinoid receptors in their brains. Why do we have the receptors? Some speculate it is because our brain uses cannabais as a way to translate events into perceptions and emotions. Some believe that our own body's make it.
Here is an article about it, but of course you'll most likely disregard the info because it is from high times magazine.

Having just read the article, I'm not entirely sure that I understand how this links back to the animals going out of their way to eat cannabis plants - it suggests that the brain produces cannabinoids and that cannabis doesn't have reinforcing properties, but it doesn't seem to even consider the evolutionary advantages of not eating plants that disorientate animals. This may just be me being stupid, however.

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Ritalin could make you smarter. It depends on what you do while you are intoxicated with it.

I think we may just be clashing over a definition of 'smarter' - what ritalin does, broadly speaking, is to allow longer and more focused concentration on something, which is not the same as being smarter; neither, necessarily, is seeing things from a different perspective. Somehow the fact that the boost to your intelligence comes from a drug devalues the intelligence you already had. I'm not expressing this very well but there is something inauthentic about requiring extra stimulation to make yourself more knowledgeable (what I think you mean by 'smarter').

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I am not here promoting people to abuse chemicals or actions. I am here saying that marijuana is the safest chemical for mankind because our brains may actually crave it.

No, I understand that you are not promoting substance abuse, but don't you think that a large increase in substance abuse is likely to occur if cannabis was legalised? In the same that the fact that alcohol is so prevalent massively increases the number of alcoholics. Based on this point, is it reasonable to risk the health of these potential drug addicts by legalising cannabis for recreational or general use? This argument of course allows for the medical use of cannabis, but that it should be restricted to the chemist's, like the majority of prescription drugs.

And just a language point: did you mean 'crave'? Because your article says otherwise. And if we did 'crave' it, that's an even better reason for not legalising it. Also, I'm not sure that it is the 'safest chemical for mankind', which is presumably something like glucose, or oxygen, or maybe H20.

And this brings me back to some more of my points, which indicated that there might be an increased risk of stroke and heart related diseases in the young - this is more the sort of stuff I was expecting to hear. Wikipedia, whose honour I will defend against all sceptics, provides the names of many conflicting studies, but quite a few of these probe health risks and side effects of cannabis use, strongly indicating that there are unpleasant and detrimental side effects.

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The only reason that she is arguing me is because she does not like me. She does not care about my position nor does she care if she agrees with me. She dislikes me and that is why she feels the need to argue everything that I post. It's funny and childish.

...

and as a side note debate is stupid and does not keep you sharp if you just bitch all the time.

But Wolfie, as tactless as this might be for me to say, but this paragraph and sentence also describes your behaviour on this thread. That is what I keep trying to tell both you and EG; you should both focus on the debate and just stop insulting each other. GOD! Or, since I don't believe in god, NOTHING!

This is fucking stupid.

I'm sorry but it really is.

This is what I'm going to do.

Here is my response to EG.

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ol, seriously, why do you people take this site like its life. It's really funny. Ruining yn... I think it was ruined years ago when some bozo decided to make a site about the 'issues' for teenagers. lol

Leave if you don't like it. Like I've said before, debating keeps me sharp. I'm going to be a Pre-med student soon and I'll need it. My life isn't about goofing around anymore, on the internet or otherwise.

Great, I'm so glad that you are one of those people who likes to have no fun. Good thing that I am not you and I like to have fun on the internet. I had no idea how serious the web is to you.

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No you should not take ritalin because it has negative side effects. Marijuana when it is not smoked has NO BAD SIDE EFFECTS.


That we know of...

One has to remember that Marijuana research is fairly new. The only bad side effect that has been found though, is the increased chance of psychosis.

Marijuana research is not new. At all. I don't know where you get this. I can only assume that it's just you making up things again. If by fairly new you mean the past 100 years then I guess it is fairly new but there is a multitude of research that has been done about marijuana, just like with every drug, illegal or not.
The increased chance of 'psychosis' is in individuals who have an underlying mental conditions, not in your regular person. When you compare the slight chance of psychosis with the negative side effects of drugs on TV obviously marijuana is the better choice. It is a miracle healer and should be used as such in our country.

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The book was from my school's library it is called "The Drug Library: Marijuana" by Elizabeth Schleichert.


Thank you. I will put this incredibly difficult Grade 6-10 book on my Amazon wishlist.

Do you see what I mean. You're a bitch. You don't care what book I read it from because oh no it is not an 'adult' book. Oh well still had information in it. When it comes to learning things I'm not too picky, I'm glad to see you'll at least try it.

ANIMALS do not understand the difference between being high or poisoned.

Yes, some of them do. Animals, like humans, dogs, cats and deer has canabinoid receptors in their brains. Why do we have the receptors? Some speculate it is because our brain uses cannabais as a way to translate events into perceptions and emotions. Some believe that our own body's make it.
Here is an article about it, but of course you'll most likely disregard the info because it is from high times magazine.

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/D...Health/mj.brain.html

To brehon,

The only reason that she is arguing me is because she does not like me. She does not care about my position nor does she care if she agrees with me. She dislikes me and that is why she feels the need to argue everything that I post. It's funny and childish.

This is what I am talking about when with the defense crap.

'One has to remember that THC is the Cannabis plant's method of defense. So, I'm not interested in messing with it.'

Ritalin could make you smarter. It depends on what you do while you are intoxicated with it.

You seem to think that I'm telling people to go out and smoke weed and sit on their asses. No they should be doing things that will improve who they are.

I am not here promoting people to abuse chemicals or actions. I am here saying that marijuana is the safest chemical for mankind because our brains may actually crave it.

That is my fucking point. That's all I have been trying to say. This is what I am arguing. This is where the difference of opinions is.

and as a side note debate is stupid and does not keep you sharp if you just bitch all the time.

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Yeah, I'm pretty awful. I'll stop being a prick, only because you asked so nicely.

Do I detect a trace of sarcasm? Or is this a genuine statement? I'm now so lost in the brutal accusations launched on this thread that my normally good sense for these things has been dizzied.

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I'm getting it from the post when I put down a shitload of info that I learned from books and she just said that none of it was true. That is where I'm getting that from. She doesn't want to debate a topic she just wants to try and make people look stupid so that way she can feel better about herself.

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Lies. I told you I agreed with your info. What more could I say?

Regarding this little spat, having gone and laboriously read that thread, I can only side with EG again, Wolfie. She states often, and in capital letters, that she agrees with your position, not disputing the claims of your evidence or your evidence. What exactly is it that you wanted from her? As I said before, I think you too are more similar than either of you is willing to concede, demonstrated by the fact that you were both agreeing on this thread until one tiny comment about cannabis culture sparked this whole kerfuffle off.

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She said that cannabinoids are the marijuana plants defense system and that we should not mess with it.

Wolfie, this is not what she said. This is what she said:

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It's also basic knowledge to anyone who has ever studied botany for any period of time that plants that produce mind-altering substances do it out of self-defense. Not for man's pleasure.

She even quotes the article as saying:

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These compounds apparently serve as defensive agents in a variety of antidessication, antimicrobial, antifeedant and UV-B pigmentation roles.

which uses a clearly defined botanical definition of "plant defence mechanism", in line with her pre-med studies (pre-medical? How does that work? Again, my lack of understanding of American Education shows my continuing ignorance). Neither it, nor her statements about it, suggest that it is a defence against humans.

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lol, seriously, why do you people take this site like its life. It's really funny. Ruining yn... I think it was ruined years ago when some bozo decided to make a site about the 'issues' for teenage

I suppose this simply begs the question of why you are a persistent poster. If it is so meaningless, and amuses you so little, why is it that you are here? And besides, you contradict yourself in the same post as deriding the site thus:

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This is why I am done here. Because it is silly and ridiculous.

So which is it to be: serious debate, or ludicrous waste of time?

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Ritalin could make you smarter but it has negative side effects on your body since it is a chemical.

You realise, of course, that there is (very) little logic to this sentence?

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No you should not take ritalin because it has negative side effects. Marijuana when it is not smoked has NO BAD SIDE EFFECTS.

I'm inclined to doubt this, because there is no medication or drug or chemical (of which both ritalin and cannabis are types) which has absolutely no side effects. Even penicillin, ibuprofen, paracetamol, medicines that are now commonplace and everyday, have side effects. I am convinced that there is some side effect (maybe that belies a claim that it is a magic bullet treatment with no side effects. Wikipedia (not a book, but still supported by books) suggests that the field is heavily disputed due to lack of adequate or competing research, but some possible side effects are:

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A 2005 article in the Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry reported on a 36-year-old man who suffered a stroke on three separate occasions after smoking a large amounts of marijuana, despite having no known risk factors for the disorder, suggesting that a rare side effect of marijuana use may be an increase in the incidence of strokes among young smokers.

And:

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A 2000 study by researchers at Boston's Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard School of Public Health also found that a middle-age person's risk of heart attack rises nearly fivefold in the first hour after smoking marijuana.

And a response to this point?

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2)Wouldn't the number of potheads (potheads=alcoholics) dramatically increase, further straining the bizarre American healthcare system?

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I have my opinions which I know are right and you have yours which you know are right. When two people know they are right arguements go in circles.

Both EG and I have stated that we, in theory at least, agree with decriminalisation. She got into this combative argument with you over a throwaway comment on cannabis culture. I am playing devils advocate in an attempt to divert this topic back onto drugs rather than insults. So where is this irreconcilable opposition of opinion, exactly?

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The Drug Library: Marijuana" by Elizabeth Schleichert.

It costs forty pounds, is not in my local bookshops and isn't in the faculty library. However, I'll take you at your word as representing this work, which only seems fair.

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I'm getting it from the post when I put down a shitload of info that I learned from books and she just said that none of it was true.

Lies. I told you I agreed with your info. What more could I say?

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ol, seriously, why do you people take this site like its life. It's really funny. Ruining yn... I think it was ruined years ago when some bozo decided to make a site about the 'issues' for teenagers. lol

Leave if you don't like it. Like I've said before, debating keeps me sharp. I'm going to be a Pre-med student soon and I'll need it. My life isn't about goofing around anymore, on the internet or otherwise.

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No you should not take ritalin because it has negative side effects. Marijuana when it is not smoked has NO BAD SIDE EFFECTS.

That we know of...

One has to remember that Marijuana research is fairly new. The only bad side effect that has been found though, is the increased chance of psychosis.

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The book was from my school's library it is called "The Drug Library: Marijuana" by Elizabeth Schleichert.

Thank you. I will put this incredibly difficult Grade 6-10 book on my Amazon wishlist.

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Being high is very very different than being drunk or poisoned. Stop comparing things that aren't related.

*brain explodes*

UUUUuuuuhg....

I KNOW that being high is very, very different from being drunk or poisoned. I'll say it one more time, for your benefit. And I'll say it without any hint of sarcasm or facetiousness:

ANIMALS do not understand the difference between being high or poisoned. I know the difference, animals don't. If a deer gets high from eating marijuana for all it knows (because it doesn't know any better) it's been poisoned and will most likely lay down and try to die. I understand I made an educated guess there, but that is because of my knowledge of Deer and their extreme sensitivity to unknown changes in their bodies. But I will read your book (which I noticed has been called ignorant, mindless propaganda by one reviewer) and find out if your claim has any merit.

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I'm glad you agree that you disregarded my information, excuse me while I continue to do the same to you.

Ok. I don't know if you keep changing what I say around to piss me off or what, but I'm actually a bit irritated now.

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I am against it because marijuana does nothing good for you. I know a girl whose parents smoke it- multiple times a day- and it has affected her badly. It has bred some animosity between her parents (who can't seem to grow up) and her.. And they still don't know how much it bothers her.

It's just no good.

That isn't a very good reason to keep it illegal. Because obviously the girl's parents are still smoking it regardless of it being illegal in the first place. What they need is family counseling.

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The proof I have is in a book which I know you'll never read because you simply won't bother to. If you'd like I'd give you the title, but, as was shown in other posts, you seem to not accept information from books.

Wolfie, I just can't conceive where you're getting this from. This is not Romashu, or one of the other evangelical posters on Spirituality. These are the links backing up EG's argument:

I'm getting it from the post when I put down a shitload of info that I learned from books and she just said that none of it was true. That is where I'm getting that from. She doesn't want to debate a topic she just wants to try and make people look stupid so that way she can feel better about herself.

Her arguement is null and void because she did not find information that supported the point she was trying to make. She said that cannabinoids are the marijuana plants defense system and that we should not mess with it. Meaning, that cannabinoids are something that could harm an organism when ingested or interacted with. What she posted just said that cannabinoids keep the plant safe from mold growing on it and from getting sun damaged and it keeps it from losing water. Nothing about how its 'defense' system keeps animals from eating it.

lol, seriously, why do you people take this site like its life. It's really funny. Ruining yn... I think it was ruined years ago when some bozo decided to make a site about the 'issues' for teenagers. lol

No you should not take ritalin because it has negative side effects. Marijuana when it is not smoked has NO BAD SIDE EFFECTS. That is what I have been trying to make a point of. Ritalin could make you smarter but it has negative side effects on your body since it is a chemical.

And it can make you smarter when implemented correctly. The same way reading books can make you smarter. However, if you are sitting around reading effing comic books all day it won't help you now will it?

All I have been trying to say is that not everything is as black and white as some of you try to make it seem.

The book was from my school's library it is called "The Drug Library: Marijuana" by Elizabeth Schleichert.

Lmao, yeah, animals getting too high from marijuana to sense predators. Good thing they don't smoke it otherwise the effects would be the same that humans experience which are mild. Being high is very very different than being drunk or poisoned. Stop comparing things that aren't related.

This is why I am done here. Because it is silly and ridiculous. I have my opinions which I know are right and you have yours which you know are right. When two people know they are right arguements go in circles. I dislike this. which is why I am stopping.

I'm glad you agree that you disregarded my information, excuse me while I continue to do the same to you.