Cool FML!! Where are you? Have you heard about the ban on foxhunting in England? Bad question, of course you have....here's a better one, do you show or just foxhunt? I showed an Appy western for several years but I'm now horseless...poor me!

Horselover: I also have an equestrian passion. All of our fox hunting is done on horseback.

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I've also watched Bambi too many times and found that to be really sad.

Whoa whoa...wait a sec. For one thing the only people who would shoot a female animal when she has a baby is a POACHER not a hunter. Bambi was written by an anti-hunting person who had no clue. My family hunts for meat, personally I think subsistance hunting is a lot more humain than raising cattle in a feed lot. I don't much like the people who only hunt for the trophy but hunting game animals is an important part of keeping the populations at controllable levels. Other wise we'd have more amimals getting hit by cars.

Jamaica's Avatar makes me want to go hunting.

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Well I've done some research on hunting/hunting out of necessity and there are very few mentions of this. Do I have exact statistics? No. And sure, if that's all a family has to eat, go ahead. They depend on it to survive. I have no objections against that.

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I don't know about bonding through hunting. Its not my family tradition. I personally believe that such traditions can be changed, but I know its different for each family.

Thanks.

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Why are you talking to us? Sure, it does "regulate the population" in some ways, but would you rather die yourself? Yes, please. Go die. So that the human population will be more regulated.

First off you misunderstood my question. I never stated that by reducing the number of humans, the enitre ecosystem would be miraculously cured.

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I'd like to see the statistics for your very very very few percent statistic. And just because it's sad that some families are that less well-off, doesn't mean it isn't a means they reach for to eat.

Well I've done some research on hunting/hunting out of necessity and there are very few mentions of this. Do I have exact statistics? No. And sure, if that's all a family has to eat, go ahead. They depend on it to survive. I have no objections against that.

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So you know two hunters that have wonderful equipment and hunt out of entertainment. And you're basing an image off of them? Wow. And wait, why haven't you talked to them?

I lived in a pretty rural area known for its hunting. I've seen my fair share of hunters (more than two...), and I have talked to them. They usually don't have an arguement. Their point of view was that is was amusing and that hunting wasn't permanently affecting anything. Not really the most solid arguement. Plus many of the hunters I saw weren't exactly the type of a person that I could just go up to and speak to as a 12 year old girl also (I was 12 when I lived there). I live in the middle of a city now so I don't exactly see hunters visiting. Although I'm sure it'd be an interesting conversation.

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Maybe you didn't realize this, but there have been a multiple of "excuses" by multiple people. You're making it sound like it was solely me.

Sorry. I really didn't mean to direct that specifically at you. I meant for it to have a broader sense.

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But not all will fit into those categories.

True. I agree with that. I admit that hunting can't be simulated no matter how realistic people try to make it. I know that there's nothing like the thrill of the real thing, but I still don't believe that lives (no matter how subservient they seem) should be sacrificed to relieve stress which could prohably be solved some other way.

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Anyway, what would you know about traditions? What would you know about family past times? How do you know bonding doesn't exist in silence?

You're right. I don't know about bonding through hunting. Its not my family tradition. I personally believe that such traditions can be changed, but I know its different for each family. I can't debate you on something that I have so little knowledge of.

But that's the problem, you aren't helping the situation by simply saying fox hunting is challenging. But I agree that guns are rather pathetic and more cowardice, though I would advise hunters to bring at least a hand pistol, in case they encounter anything that wouldn't be killed or most difficult to kill with archery. Say, a wolf or bear, etcetera.

longbow hunting is very challenging and fun. I enjoy archery of many forms.

I still think that it is shameful to hunt with anything more complex than a longbow

I'm sure they have never been fox hunting. If they went I am sure they would respect the challenge.

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Take yoga, go get drunk, massages... millions of ways to be relieved of stress my friend.

But not all will fit into those categories. Would you rather they go shoot you to relieve their stress?

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Bonding can always take place in a more human environment.

I think you intended to say "humane". Anyway, what would you know about traditions? What would you know about family past times? How do you know bonding doesn't exist in silence?

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Some people can't afford meat so they go out and hunt? Very very very few percent of the population fits under this category.

I'd like to see the statistics for your very very very few percent statistic. And just because it's sad that some families are that less well-off, doesn't mean it isn't a means they reach for to eat.

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Hunting is now just amusement not survival.

Sure, SOME people do that, not all. And usually it depends on the animal they're hunting. Squirrel "hunters" and small game along with a lot of huge game, maybe elephant, are probably more "amusing" than beneficial.

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People eat their kill just for kicks too not because they have no other source of meat. Believe me, I've met hunters galore after living in the middle of a county that hunts deer avidly; they own high quality equipment that could have bought years of meat.

So you know two hunters that have wonderful equipment and hunt out of entertainment. And you're basing an image off of them? Wow. And wait, why haven't you talked to them?

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Stop making up excuses.

Maybe you didn't realize this, but there have been a multiple of "excuses" by multiple people. You're making it sound like it was solely me.

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Hunting should have died out years ago right when our survival didn't depend upon it.

Possibly true. But would you have stood up to the hunters when they had a right to shoot you, or wouldn't be punished for killing you? And you are only venting, so shut up.

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Don't give me the "it regulates the population" crap either. If humans didn't mess around with the animal population in the first place, everything would be fine.

Why are you talking to us? Sure, it does "regulate the population" in some ways, but would you rather die yourself? Yes, please. Go die. So that the human population will be more regulated.

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berenelen: The fact that you don't value your neighbors life any more than a mule's disgusts me. you should be ashamed of yourself.

Yes shame on me for valuing life on all levels. Shame on me.

It can be challenging. Not for me, but for some.

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Originally posted by ThePackadermParty:
I enjoy pheasant hunting. It can be quite challenging.

nothing more challenging than killing a bird by pulling your finger back and aiming...

I enjoy pheasant hunting. It can be quite challenging.

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My next door neighbor might get hit by a car and die painfully so it'd be best if I went over and shot him right now. I'm sure this is the excuse the insane use in court once they've murdered someone. Right on!

berenelen: The fact that you don't value your neighbors life any more than a mule's disgusts me. you should be ashamed of yourself.

I don't think that I would be able to watch as the life was being taken from something, especially if I was the one that did it. I've also watched Bambi too many times and found that to be really sad. I don't know what I'd do if humans were ever hunted like that. Which leaves me to my next question that Ikki often asks people. Why is human life more important then animals lifes?

I haven't posted in monthes, but this conversations bugging me.

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Also have you guys ever considered the fact that even if you don't shoot the animal that it will die some other way which may be much more painfully.

My next door neighbor might get hit by a car and die painfully so it'd be best if I went over and shot him right now. I'm sure this is the excuse the insane use in court once they've murdered someone. Right on!

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For some men and women, it is really a good time to meditate and/or relieve stress. For others, it's more about bonding with one another. And still more do other things through hunting, such as the simple explanation that some people need the meat because they can't afford beef in the supermarket.

Take yoga, go get drunk, massages... millions of ways to be relieved of stress my friend. Bonding can always take place in a more human environment. Some people can't afford meat so they go out and hunt? Very very very few percent of the population fits under this category. Hunting is now just amusement not survival. People eat their kill just for kicks too not because they have no other source of meat. Believe me, I've met hunters galore after living in the middle of a county that hunts deer avidly; they own high quality equipment that could have bought years of meat.

Stop making up excuses. Hunting should have died out years ago right when our survival didn't depend upon it. Don't give me the "it regulates the population" crap either. If humans didn't mess around with the animal population in the first place, everything would be fine.

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So unless your a vegetarian shut it!

Vegan. Proud of it.

People that slaughter and torture animals are most definitely not the type of people that should be "hunting". Unfortunately, these people are the few that most nonhunters instantly see when they hear the word hunting.

For some men and women, it is really a good time to meditate and/or relieve stress. For others, it's more about bonding with one another. And still more do other things through hunting, such as the simple explanation that some people need the meat because they can't afford beef in the supermarket.

The way I see it, why are some people opposed to hunting?

God origianally made animals just for pleasure in my oppinion. But after the fall of man they were used for food. I personally don't really have any interest in hunting but those of you who do that is fine with me.
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